We’ve had a lot of great discussion here recently about different brands, their relative frattiness, etc. One point that’s drawn great concern is the adoption of fratty brands within the realms of douchebaggrery.
We have observed douchebags wearing even such unquestionably fratty brands as Brooks Brothers; this doesn’t mean that the brand itself has lost any standing in the frat community. The are two situations that can cause a brand to lose its fratstanding. First, a fratty brand can lose its frattiness if it begins producing unfratty items of clothing on a large scale. Second, a fratty brand can lose its frattiness if, concurrently, it gains widespread favor in the GDI community WHILE ALSO losing favor among the frat community (for example, we have seen this phenomenon in certain regions with the Lacoste brand name). The bigger point to this aside is thus: we are inherently apt to being copied. It’s simply going to happen. We cannot cause this to make us give up on frat staples. Every day, fratty people are observed, and the fruits of living the fratty lifestyle do not go unnoticed. Seeing this, many douchebags believe that they too can receive the benefits of the fratty lifestyle simply by duplicating fratty fashions. Of course, we know this is not the case. However, it is no less troubling to see our styles being copied by people who then combine them with choker necklaces, hair product, and cargo shorts.
Thankfully, douchebag loyalty is fickle. Their adoption of fratty styles will only be short lived, as they soon jump to the next fad that they observe. Therefore, you should not let their short term adoption of your favorite brand make you give up on it. Simply weather the storm, and soon you will see the fratty brands being sported almost exclusively by those who live the frat life.
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What’s so wrong with cargo shorts? I thought they were ultra-fratty. Nothing looks better than a brooks brothers polo and a pair of Cargo Shorts.
Oh, by the way. Missouri State Fratting Extra Hard!
yea they’re ultra fratty if you’re gay and like to hide your magic the gathering and game boy games in the massive douche pockets
and its not so much the pockets…its the fact that most ‘cargo shorts’ go down to douches ankles
It’s the bagginess and the complete unnecessary and nonconservative nature of the shorts. I may concede a pair of not baggy cargo shorts with the slim pockets (not the ones that pop out), maybe on my father, but anything past the knees screams “I want to look like an Abercrombie model/like I’m in a gang!” I did wear them in high school, but that was high school. I phased them out starting senior year.
There are bigger problems. I have seen some of my most loved things fall into not only the hands of GDIs but the hands of gel haired meat head GDIs. Some of my local bars are being overrun by ultra douchebags. Then I watch as my greek system is overrun by these plagues. Last night things went way to far as I was on a sororitys formal and they were there. I freaked out and did the only thing I knew how to do and that was frat tabing over four hundered dollars. In these times of need people we must frat harder that ever before.
I know that GAP has made some faux North Face Fleeces which are ultra fratty. Everybody at Missouri State is wearing the new trend. Maybe the SEC schools should learn a lesson.
speaking of being overrun by the GDI’s….I feel like multiple parts of this good ol’ message board are being overtaken right now
agreed ukfrat
cargo shorts?burberry and khaki shorts without the cargos will always succesfully drive gdi’s back to the dorms. firstly, ive never seen one single gdi sporting one of my 135 dollar burberry polos splashed with 80 dollar burberry cologne which is why i would recomend the burberry polo as a first line of defense against any wanabe fratdaddy dousche bag. secondly, the soristitutes not only drop their bebe lingerie, but they completely neglect their cargo short gdi boyfriend for the extreme fratdaddy. Lastly, stop posting questions about what to wear..fratdaddies are born to be fratty and the frat intellegence of clothing apparel should arrive naturally.
Cargo pants look especially sharp with a Kavu visor and a skateboard going to class. Kappa Sig at Missouri State rules, bro!
haze:
Frattabbing is always a great defense to being at a party that’s rife with douchebaggery.
Skateboards are not frat. Missouri state is looking more and more lame.
I went to a high school party over spring break. There were so many cargo shorts, Aeropostale/Abercrombie/American Eagle, and gelled hair douches, that they left me with no choice but to drink all their non-PBR beer, then break out the 2 liters of Coke and handle of bourbon in my 4 Runner. I had a pledge living in my area come and pick me up at 3 AM. Just thought I’d point out that frattabbing in spirit can be done at parties with free or prepaid alcohol.
Well done, front¢er.
I like that term…”Frattabbing in spirit”.
Fratty dress includes and intricate mix of conservatism with a degree of professionalism. Someone please tell me the last time they saw the CEO of a major company roll around in a pair of Abercrombie utility cargos that are so wrinkled they look like a grandmothers vagina, and are covered in bleech stains complete with those gay little strings hanging out of the front?
Its ironic that as we discuss ways in which Fratty Staples have been increasingly taken over by Douchbags, that this very message board has seen a higher than normal degree of Douchbaggery. Cargo shorts are not fratty and have never been, and no self respecting frat daddy would wear them. I agree with givemeabeerpledge that the Burberry polo is an excellent first line of defense against douchbags, as many cannot afford the high sticker price, my only gripe about Burberry is the lack of fratty pastel colors. And I dont know what GDItolerant is talking about because not only are cargo shorts not fratty, even worse is anything that comes from the GAP, especially a Faux North Face Fleece. Fratdaddy’s dont wear faux anything, and the low prices at the GAP only encourage GDI’s to try to rip of our style. A fratdaddy is a leader, he certainly doesnt follow trends.
Doug-
Have you and your fellow professors considered making a “Fratty Testimonials” section on Frattinghard.com? “HazeGDIs” shared a situation in which a potentially fratty situation was threatened by meathead douchebags(most likely members of the university athletic teams) and the steps he took to correct the damage inflicted upon the fratmosphere. Sharing stories such as those don’t fit in the confines of a FAQ section however postings of that nature are totally conducive to the aspirations of the site. I’m certain this could benefit some of the novice fratdaddies that frequent the site as well. just a thought.
I’m seeing several problems. True fratters should have an ingrained sense of style given to them from their fathers. Casual poolside gatherings, dinner with you parent’s friends, golf outings, and trips to the track should have given most of you ample situations to learn how to dress. If you need this site to learn how to dress, then how you dress certainly isn’t the main problem.
The general room of thumb is that by the time that you have left pledge status all cargo shorts and pants, AE and AF etc. should no longer be worn. The point about the CEO earlier was a good one. College along with being a perfect combination of drinking, sex, and frattiness (all highly related) is also the last training grounds for becoming a professional. Bottom line is that if you plan on being the milk shake guy, or the mail room assistant when you’re 27 cargos etc. are acceptable. If you plan on being a partner, summering in the cape, and retiring at 54 on yauchting the rest of your life cut the cargos out.
That’s a good idea, O’Fratty. I may start a Fratty Testimonial thread tonight, in fact.
O’Frat, good call on the Testimonials. I agree with all especially regarding GAP, which is about as fratty as a douchebag wearing two popped-collar Lacoste shirts at a Hillary Clinton rally.
I do have to disagree with the comment about the KAVU visor. I know this argument has been made before, but I think that they can be fratty. For example, when participating in fratty outdoor activities such as rock climbing, whitewater rafting, or kayaking, it is perfectly exceptable to sport the KAVU visor. It goes with out saying, such a visor should not be dawned on the golf course.
It’s amazing how opinions differ within the frat community on visors. For instance, I think they’re OK, while Professor Stratton is less visor-sympathetic.
The only cargo shorts with pockets on the sides that are fratty are any Columbia makes for fishing/outdoor activities. But the pockets have to be mesh, and you have to be sporting a ZepPro belt with a fish preferably a marlin or dolphin or sportfishing boat or sailing flags of some sorts.
There is only one fratty bar here in Baton Rouge, and that is Bogie’s. Walk On’s Bistreaux can be fratty when they host sunset parties. Once a fratdaddy has finished his four years here in Baton Rouge and is still here for the fifth or six year, he finds other more local bars that are keen to his taste.
On visors… if you hang one around your rearview mirror in your SUV or diesel, it’s not fratty at all. If you sport a visor because it says Kavu because you hike and love the outdoors, that’s fratty. If you fish, and sport a visor of the marina or community you fish in is fratty… Golf visors are acceptable as well…. Don’t overdue the Kavu, and though I do like Vineyard Vines, don’t wear that big ass visor with the whale on it…
As for Masters gear… Any Masters hats are definitely an image of any fraternal man, but when it comes to those big goofy visors they sell… I don’t know so much about those.
Mathews,
I strongly agree that true fratters should have an ingrained sense of style given to them from their fathers. I do however disagree with your rule of thumb. How can one expect to recieve a bid to a good fraternity wearing cargos and other such GDI apparel? Yes I know most people already are assured a bid before bid week begins but clothing does make a strong impression when you do not know that much about a man. It is not uncommon for legacies to get snubbed at my University for less than cargos. I went to a school along with many of my brothers where khaki’s and a collared shirt were required. People are born fratty not created in a now absurd 8 week pledgeship program. You can’t change that much in that little time.
I was certainly not advocating for cargo pants/shorts to be worn during pledgeship, nor do i think you took it as that. However, as a clarification I would say that it is not completely unacceptable if i were to see a pledge wearing an A and F t-shirt, and cargo shorts during pledgeship, it would only give me a reason to haze them until their balls turn blue rather than just do it for no reason.
And yes, if they think cargo shorts and a hollister muscle polo are acceptable to any rush event, their is absolutely no way they will get a bid to any tier 1 fraternity or 2 for that matter. I personally have simply asked kids in said apparel to leave rush events before.
You can turn a respectable guy with a couple of rough edges into a true fratstar within 8 weeks. We’ve all seen examples where a kid who had a couple A and F shirts left in his wardrobe phased them out and made a turn around and showed up to weekend spring formal on the lake or coast with a suitcase full of polo, dock shorts, sperrys, rainbows, raybans and croakies, Seersucker jacket and pants, etc. etc.
If more than one or two pledges is like this though, you’re either a pike or a sigchi.
On Matthews note,
there’s a couple guys who got into my fraternity, who during the pledge season wore all the required clothes, and seemed to be okay and at times very fratty. However, since getting initiated they have broke out their old GDI faggotry apparel, and though they are my pledge bro’s and I really like them after spending so much time with them, every time I see them now I throw up a little in my mouth (from seeing a A&F polo with faggot diamond-studded earrings). What do you all suggest I do to change these ignorant minds, or does it simply come down to not hanging out with them anymore/somehow getting them dropped from the frat?
Agreed you can work out the rough edges during pledgeship. Obviously one of the reasons you are required to pledge.
UT fratty, id highly suggest either repledging them, putting them up on standards if possible, or changing the bylaws to make certain clothing especially when in letters not wearable.
Theres also no rules against hazing a member thats already in if a majority want to do it.
first off, northern and midwestern fraternities have to realize that Southern fraternities and schools are just better. We always have been and always will be. also, i agree that talking about fashion and clothing is about as GDI as distressed trucker hats. However while on the topic, cargo shorts are gay and not fratty even worse are cargo corruptions of truly fratty things such as seersucker shorts. The fact that you wear faux anything proves the point that Missouri state is in no way shape or form close to a fratty school.
Matthews, i respectfully disagree. Abercrombie was never cool, i remember people knowing it was very high in douchebaggery as early as junior high. Shopping at a store like abercrombie at any point in your life should be hidden from all people, as one would hide the fact they are octoroon
Burberry polos are pretty GDI now as well.
I don’t know why people on this site hate on VV, they are one of the only companies that makes respectable dock pants and shorts.. I challenge someone to point out a company (besides that store based in Charleston that I can’t remember) that makes nicer dock shorts/pants.
^M.Dumas and Sons??
Another thing, Matthews, I have seen kids who go through every phase in high school skater clothes, to surfer clothes to wiggger clothes and then wearing A+F senior year, getting into Ole Miss, then come back during break it Brooks Brothers, to me this doesnt make said person fratty, i think it makes them even more of a bag of douche for trying so god damn hard to fit in.
I can’t remember, its a catalog, but it is has bar none the frattiest clothes I have ever seen. It may just be based in South Carloina.
Ah found it, Ben Silver. Fratty as fuck clothes, Douchebag free.
Ben Silver = Very Fratty, sorry, i thought you were talking about an actual store.
maybe i don’t know the circumstances completely, but going to a HS party over spring break is most decidely NOT fratty. its like taking a step down - i commend ‘Ineedapledge…” for drinking all their alcohol, tho, and getting a pledge to drive him home
and to whoever was talking about riding to class on a skateboard, you probably have blue-dyed hair and a poster of Lifehouse on your wall.
Faux-shit is about as cool as taking a shower with your dad
Actually, a fraternity at UVa made all their pledges skateboard to class (or anywhere on campus) for all of pledgeship, not because it was cool, it was supposed to be demeaning for them.
naturally.
Deke, that is one of the weakest stories of pldegeship. Personally I went through much, much worse. My older brother for example went to an unnamed SEC school, and had to do some unspeakable things. One of the lesser things his pledge class did was raise a pup and then kill it at the end of pledgeship.
I doubt Deke was suggesting that skateboarding to class was the harshest act of pledging. Having had to use a scooter to go to class last fall, it was obviously not the hardest thing but a constant reminder that I was somebody’s bitch for a semester. And Mathews, I don’t believe your “brother’s” claim.
yeah, killing a pet dog= GDI/asshole
None of you obviously belong to a tier one fraternity in an SEC school if you all had weak pledgeships. If you’re from the north it isn’t even pledging.
Yea, I heard of one fraternity at NY(h)U(ge faggots), that made their pledges go on a scavenger hunt across new york, that was it.
i agree with Hambone. a goat or something, shit thats ok. a dog pretty douchebag
FSU frats less than most northern schools do. No one cares what you think.
i never said we did u dumbass spook. go kill another dog
having a dog is fratty. killing a dog is not. you might as well go see Black Sabbath and play the wrist violin if you think that’s cool. but i’m with ying-aling, I don’t believe that claim either
Matthews,
If you think you are a first tier fraternity, you are seriously mistaken. Any respectable, classy fraternity would not force their pledges to commit such repulsive acts of douchebaggery. Further, FSU frats harder than you ever will. We have the finest girls, the frattiest cars, and the most well-dressed people around. Either you have not been privileged enough to pay a visit to our school, or you are blinder than Stevie Wonder.
“Most well-dressed people” I assume the finest english department as well? I don’t need to prove my frattiness. I will say however that their is almost nothing fratty about FSU. Florida is the bastard of the south. It’s a third tier spring break choice at best, and a vacation haven for the struggling middle class. The school, the state, and yes, the frats are all second class my friend.
Apparently you don’t need to prove your frattiness, as your actions (i.e. killing dogs) obviously speak for themselves. I never said Florida is the world’s greatest vacation spot, nor did I say that it is the finest state in the south, but FSU is a school filled with fratdaddies. You have nothing to back up how we “suck,” yet I can easily think of multiple reasons about why your frat, yes frat, is sub-par.
And I’m sure that Biloxi, Mississippi or wherever you are from is a first tier spring break site where all the sorostitues and fratdaddies drive their frathoes and fratshack in the fratcastle nightly. Right.
And I think it’s ironic that you are “attacking” Florida State under the WHEN DOUCHEBAGS ATTACK post.
guys, this is some of the same shit that has brought down previous Fratty forums in the past (we all know what i’m talking about). stop comparing dick sizes and just let the issue die. remember the frat law: if you have to justify why you and your school frat hard, then you obviously aren’t doing it right
Good point armyfrat, and I agree. We’re all on the same side here…we want to talk about fratting hard and how to do that better.
Let’s let the controversy go and get back to our purpose.
If you have time to post more then one post on a Saturday night then you are not deserving of letters of the frat you live in, so either suck it up and go pull some serious sorostitute ass to make up for your weak shit, or get the fuck out of the kitchen.
It’s called finals week, deal with it.
The real issue here is pledging. A harsh and ordealed pledgeship is a must for keeping the Shane Nation out of the South. Down here we go 6 months, fratty dress code ALL the time and no letters can be thrown until initiation pledge (among other things).
On a side note, no matter what Missouri does it will never house a fratty school. How is it feasibly possibly that a nuetral state could pull something like that off? Negative.
Also arguing letters and schools is the ultimate sign of Shane, this is exactly why meatheads sneak into their so called “fraternities”. They offer them comfort in their state of douchebaggery amongst many other meaty douchebags who enjoy throwing letters up and arguing. The real dads know their status and stick to sitting on the balcony(with shirts on) drinking diet beers (to keep the frat gut down and prevent local gym attendance) and throwing waives when sorotutes bims give the honk as they drive by.
*diet beers would consist of natty lites, busch lite, bud lite and any other typical domestic lite brew. Never get them mixed up with Shane beer like Bud select and beers with energy combos.
http://www.vineyardvines.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.browse/categoryID/c845f252-2f48-4416-9476-b03bcf4ae361
http://www.vineyardvines.com/images/site1/activedit/summer2007/landing_pages/M_new_for_summer.jpg
not only does that guy have his collar popped, but he also has another polo on underneath it, why is VV deucheing so hard??
Yea i saw that picture in their magazine for the summer, and i almost passed out, i can’t believe they would have such a douchebag advertisement in the likes of AF or AE, does this hurt the VV status as a frat brand?
Polo Ralph Lauren is producing plenty of douche clothes as well, but it’s not a problem because we stick to the basics (polos, sport shirts, slacks). The same should apply to Vineyard Vines. What matters is the quality and appearance of the things you buy, not the brand reputation. Concentrating on the status of what brand you’re “reppin” makes you no different from the blacks wearing the oversized rhinos and “ENYCE” logos and all of that nonsense.
The Mongoose thinks tEXAS=sophomore at LSU who just found out how to dress properly because his Sig Ep brosephs gave him a book carefully outlining the do’s and don’ts of proper attire, along with the proper way to give the reach around. Bogies stopped being acceptable to hang out after sophomore year: too many nignogs, torn jeans, and SAEs/Sig Eps/Pi Kapps and all around New Row trash complimenting each other on their new pair of Sperrys.
I haven’t read all of these posts but my opinion on the “Attacks of Douchebaggery” are simply this… Douchebags are not exposed to the elite lifestyle of living as compared to fratlings. True FratDaddys teach and introduce there fratling sons things such as … hunting, sport fishing, bass fishing, horse races(Carolina Cup, etc), proper dress in different situations - church, formal, casual, and work; southern women, coastal activities - sailing, fishing, golf, etc. All these things contribute to the lifestyle of a FratDaddy and from this an undergraduate FratDaddy should easily be able to pick up on the ways to become an ideal fraternity man. Real fraternity men don’t need to be worried about the douchebags around them but should only be worried about their own career ahead of them, their education, southern women, keeping up their southern image, and having a great time while doing all of this(the definition of fratting hard). One of the comments above talked about proffessionals or CEO’s wearing cargo shorts or other douchewear. He is absolutely right. FratDaddys should look presentable in any situation so that should he encounter an alumni, professor, dean, or other person of high ranking he can approach them with respect and properness. THAT ALONE is why we are what we are. Although we are the elite, we have no need to flaunt it. Doing this only brings us down gentlemen. The best of the best have no need to show everyone else… others already know. My goal for all of you searching for wisdom on this site and on my campus is to learn that there is much more to being a fraternity man than dress. There is a purpose behind it and that is what you need to figure out and adopt before truly adorning the dress and style of a true southern fraternity man.
Ole Miss is a frat heaven
you guys are all fags and need to die off soon
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