Rush 099: Five Biggest Rush Mistakes (Lesson #3)

For what it’s worth, UVM is full of fuckers from the worst that the North has to offer- NJ, NY, and, of course, CT- and you should never judge us from what dipshits we attract.

Hurrah for more articles on actually fratty material- getting away from things like music and bands, and returning to the core of the soul- rush, formal, parties, and brotherhood.

^Very good article.*

That’s what happens when you don’t proofread, men.

i agree with army fratstar.

we had this d-bag come to a rush event with an rl polo but also with a pukka necklace, huge-baggy cargo shorts and he spiked his hair. All the kid would say is “o man i can’t to frat hard with you guys and pound fratwater.”

after i puked from disgust i wrote our rush chairman up to standards board for bringing in such a douche. any rushee who mentions this website gets blackballed immediately.

Army has a good point. It’s never a good sign when a guy comes in and obviously tries to shove as many of our dictionary words into his speech as possible. It’s a classic case of trying too hard.

On the other hand, that makes me believe that we might have a valid market for T-shirts.

This site, no offense to Doug, has become a shit hole for douche rags to talk out of their asses about how they frat hard, or about regional fratty standards. What started out as a good way to turn, as this article mentions, borderline freshmen into future frat daddies, has become a watering hole for gdi’s. The fact that the last post reached almost 200 posts disgusts me; I stopped reading past the first 25. I glad to see that this site hints at the idea that it will return to its somewhat fratty roots.

kevinewaltz,

think about it. if some dbag rushee came to one of your rush events at your bottom tier piece of shit northern school, you’d probably be pretty pissed too. actually, i take that back-you’d probably love to have that dbag in your chapter because you yourself are a preachy douchebag. if any rushee came in and kept saying “i frat hard” blahblahblah i would want him either. sure, many frat guys visit this site, but they don’t go out bragging about it to people or spit out dictionary terms.

in conclusion, you fucking suck and when people bitch about this site going lame, it’s your fault. just stop posting and swallow bleech.

btw-i don’t think it’s bad to turn a shitty office holder into a “standards” or “ethics” board. you do care about your chapter right? be a good member instead of that piece of shit who doesn’t do a damn thing for the chapter-except embarrass it.

I agree with KevinWaltz… site has turned into a typical internet bitching / insult forum. No one can have an actual debate about something anymore (music, see last thread) without the 3rd post in being full of insults and other GDI-level crap.

I guess nerdiness runs deep in frat culture. Maybe it just comes with the territory. Imagine college guys trying to establish an identity… while identifying with some group. You might have an inkling to think for yourself at some point, but you will probably grab onto to some other pre-packaged identity in the future. I have to hand it to you though, you frat fags really know how to play out a trend and drive it into the ground. Thanks for enlightening me on this Hollister thing. I was wondering why I saw so many “uniforms” on campus. It usually comes with an insecure shit-eating grin:)

i would like to point out that no guy should EVER use smiley faces or emoticons in texts or IM or facebook or forums. i repeat never should this happen. 1) it’s gay and if thats not reason enough then 2) it’s an easy way to insure that the few pieces of tail you hang out with will only ever think of you as “a friend” because you’re “such a nice guy”… fags

what hurts this site the most is the north/south bs. they both have positives and negatives. just because you live in a region doesn not make you a GDI or frat. I currently live in the midwest and anybody who calls me semi-frat can shut the fuck up and suck on your friends ignorant dicks. i did not get hazed for 13 weeks, have a horse on my chest, drink more bourbon and natty than water, shack with plan b sororitutes (moving my way up) last year to have fags single out regions as not being frat.

this site is great for future fratter’s to gain some more insight and current frat stars to keep in touch on current frat news. the countdowns are not bad as long as they are done sparingly.

movies list-caddyshack, wedding crashers, top gun, 007, wall street, animal house, the graduate, risky business, bourne identity, weekend at bernies, the departed…great picks

what to drive-aston martin, all depends on taste (bmw, benz, lexus, audi), and tahoe

i hope someone says the midwest is GDI or semi-frat that would be awesome.

Top Gun is a really great movie. I am in San Diego and the bar in the movie burned down!

otis allen… it’s “Otis Allan.”

and making 6-figure salaries either straight out of or within 5 years of graduating “conformity”?

dr. fratenstein i’ve been all over the U.S. and have family in almost every region.

i’m also going into urban planning with a concentraion in economic planning and may go to grad school at illinois, florida state, clemson, or ohio state. i consider columbus, indianapolis, chicago, raleigh, charlotte, and atlanta as some of the best metro areas to live.

hilton head is a favorite beach spot of mine.

the south has a frattier culture but there are top tier frats that frat hard in the north, west, and midwest also by any standard.

luis had a decent thinker last post but fraternities are a way to provide a strong connection with similar people (who usually want similar things) and enhance the experience they want in college and for life. i am not a pre-packaged fluff. i question things but i happen to agree with a lot of scoial standards of behavoir.

i’m taking summer classes right now and thought more about what you said louis and i think you are off and some of the things you said lead to nothing.

the problem is just because you are in a fraternity does not mean you do not question things. we are not pre-packaged fluff we are individuals but similar ones. a sociology issue of why we group for what reasons is hard to completely understand. your group will be people you relate to on any level of things interests, personality, certain ways of thinking, the list goes on and on. some put more focus on certain factors.

you are basically saying that young people should change society but what happens if society does not need to be changed and then you would be hurting society if you changed it. there are things that i would change in my society but they are of a minor issue to me. i am a fairly content man the way a lot of things are. i believe fraternity life has positive benefits to members if they want those benefits and are of fraternity likeness. i am the one who feels sorry for you because you find it so hard to belong to any group.

what you said has no relevance to this site.

I need a new pair of shoes what do you think is the best pair of shoes for a future fratter

holy shit

future fratter, please shut the fuck up

The conformity question is an interesting one. My position is that, yes, in some limited but substantial sense, fratters are all conformists. We conform to certain traditional dress codes, etiquette, vocations and activities. In these respects, I am a conformist. I say this not with shame, but with pride. Part of the fundamental humility of the fratter is his recognition that sometimes the better things in life involve submitting yourself to traditions bigger and older than you are. It is, in a way, tremendously arrogant to assume that you understand the world better than all of the collective wisdom of those generations that have come before you. I believe this is what Edmund Burke was talking about in “Reflections on THe Revolution In France.” We have evolved, over hundreds of years, a highly functional, largely beneficial, and tremendously complex social system. For one person to “shake things up,” and fly in the face of all of that accreted wisdom is pretentious to the point of dangerous stupidity. Society is the way it is, and frats are the way they are, and have been for a long time, for a reason. You think you can do something better by being petulantly and willfully non-conformist for the sake of non-conformism, well, you go right ahead, but know that you walk the path of pride verging on arrogance, while we all wait, humbly, in our topsiders and polos, like all the generations before us, enjoying an ice cold bourbon.

While I think that revolutionary thinking can well be in line with the creations of new traditions, progress in society, etc. we should not just reject things because they are traditional. Where Dave really hit the nail on the head was “non-conformists for the sake of non-conformism”.

I believe that there are sound reasons for our traditions, but we all live and act by traditions and perspectives that we could never examine and be functional. We should have respect for these traditions that get us through life and those that have handed them down to us.

I would also say that it has not been the habit of men in fraternities to be less critical, less progressive and less “revolutionary” in their thinking. Fraternal organizations have historically been structures that allowed exchange of ideas and coordination of action. If anything what I hear most often is that fraternities are too engaged, too busy promoting their views where administrators would rather have an unorganized, accepting group of students that accept what they deem is right.

In some sense I see a lot of the resurgence of fraternity life and traditional values to be a considered rejection of selfish individualism, disposable culture and faddish consumerism.

But I could be wrong. It could be so much better to be reject everything while doing nothing except sulk around with some other like-minded people and buy a bunch of clothes and music to broadcast that I am part of the anarchism and nihilism set. Oh yeah, I can also protest and put patches on my back pack. Because that’s brings about change.

this is way too deep, i just wanna frat my balls off

just because something is a change does not mean it is good luismontgomery obama

i think luismontgomery is a frikkin libral! move to california and play grab ass with your GDI friends cockhead!

When people run out of anything to say the region baiting idiots come out. This Louis type could be from anywhere unfortunately. Have you guys looked around some campuses in the South?

I am from the South and I have visited some solid campuses in California, the midwest and up north. Colorado, USC stick out, and the same with some of the NESCAC schools and some of the Ivies.

I’ve seen some weak campus fraternities in the South. South just has less douchey chapters and the north and west more.

FrattingHard.com is a cool site. Thanks for pulling this together guys.

You may also like http://www.douchetopia.com. Join the Fight to End Douchebaggery!!

hamilton isnt a nescac school. the 3 maine schools and trinity arent as bad as the rest. the rest of them are full of liberals and fags

Furman, UVA, UR > Amherst, Williams, Trinity?

I’m the fuckin man! I wore my Italian Stallion t-shirt to rush every night (even after the dirty rush party when i threw up on my shirt after i drank too many jager bombs) with tons of hair gel and I got a bid!!! go TKE!!!!!!!!!

How about William and Mary compared to UVA?

“Elitist to the point that they don’t want their kids to go to an Ivy…” uhhh, no. They’re good schools, but more on par with a strong state school. No research $$ (so hence not many top profs), weak on everything but humanities, and even in the humanities I can count on one hand the number of authors / editors of my textbooks who have been from a liberal arts school. Students definitely dress preppier on average than at the Ivies, but being concerned about how everyone around you is dressed is pretty douchey in the first place. As long as you can look down at your chest and see the horse/lamb there (not the Lacoste alligator since they went to shit), you’re fine.

Good one,

I’m well aware of Williams, Amherst, etc. and graduated from a (real) Ivy myself. WTF would I be discussing Ivy schools if I went to Penn State? If you actually went to a good school instead of just reading about them on the Internet, you’d know that at an Ivy you see plenty of your professors, and that you only have TA’s for small meetings once or twice a week. That argument (”you never see your prof at an Ivy”) is a giveaway that your experience with good schools comes from reading an article about them in some magazine once. And what do you think makes someone a “top professor,” their rating on myprofessors.com? It’s their publishing and research.

Good lines at the end though, really shows off your preppiness. “I need a scotch” and “Riff raff”? Fuck man, did you google “Things rich people say” or something? Go back to Abercrombie and stop trying so fucking hard.

Good one,

Any Ivy or good lib arts school will provide a good pathway to grad school / good job in the Northeast. But outside the Northeast, Ivies are going to have more currency. Hence my comparison to a strong state school, which tend to have stellar reputations regionally and decent reps nationally. I don’t think you can really argue with that.

Not sure what Ivy you went to, but if you had actual lectures given by TA’s, I’d ask for your money back. What happens at Ivies (and other top schools) is profs give the lectures, grad students cover office hours and small group meetings. They also do some grading. If you think a lecture hall of students for Organic Chem or for British Lit is being taught by a TA, you’re reading too much Newsweek.

Also, the whole “profs obsessed with research” thing is another creation of the media. Are they not showing up for lecture because they’re too busy with their Bunsen burners? Or maybe at Williams/Amherst they have so much free time everyone goes to Starbucks after lecture and talks about the weather. Actually one of my worst professors in college was a really famous guy who had basically “retired” from research and was there to just teach / advise / whatever. My point is that there is no coherent relationship between researching / publishing and being a good teacher, although the small lib arts schools push that as a major selling point.

And as for regional hate, don’t think I’m knocking Southern schools cause of my screename. I’d choose Duke / Vandy before I’d choose a northern liberal arts school.

Now back to my Scotch cause I’m just so damn preppy on the Internet.

so doug, what’s next? please post it soon to stop the dbags from pickering between north and south. civil war is over douchbags, take you arguments elsewhere

I smell yankees.

Biggest rush mistakes: Rushing Pike

My ancient Winchester 12 gauge over/under is nearing the end of its life, any recommendations on a good skeet gun? Thinking about Browning/low-end Beretta price range.

Just my two cents on the whole Northern frat argument… I go to Purdue and can honestly say that no individual chapter should be considered truly fratty. There are certain groups within the better houses that live the life, but don’t listen to anyone saying how great their chapter is. This goes for almost any school in the Midwest, with exceptions for places like Miami of Ohio… A lot of the fratdaddies came from out of state, but not all. If you’re from the right town/family, you should know how to dress and behave, regardless of where you grew up. (Unless you’re from Southern California and then you’re probably just fucked…)

IMO frattiness is dying due to douchebaggery. This person I know just came to me with a polo shirt and extra long cargo shorts with white-hot green sperrys, and long socks on his legs. He proceeded to ask me “is this fratty?” I told him where he got this idea, and its completely an inside joke. Then he said, “no, I looked it up on the internet, its real.”

What do you even say to that? This kid informed me that he told 3 of his friends and they’re learning it too. I just looked at him in astonishment.

It’s dead. The worst part is, I’m sure wherever his friends go, they’re going to tell people they dress fratty and tell them about all this stuff with their douchebag twist.

true southern fratitude wont die, maybe around the borders it will, and other fraternities will be ridden with douches, but you can’t kill tradition

I was going to tell Lee Corso’s Pencil to slap that trashy friend and tell them American Traditional isn’t a fad and it isn’t just “fratty”. But an explanation is probably what you should offer him.

Fratty is funny in that it is an irreverent look at ourselves- those who follow traditional lines of American upper & upper middle class, younger adults (in GLO’s) from there college and career phases.

Fratty particularly refers to this group in the South, which has a lot in common with other groups but tends to be more traditional and has its own idiosyncratic culture that is not exactly the Southern “working class” nor the Northern upper & upper middle class. Until I saw “inside joke” it never occurred to me how much some people weren’t getting it.

Writing about for kicks may have run its course for Doug & Co. Or they’re gone fishing.

something new please.. but as for the topic at hand, north and south are at two extremes of frattiness. south being too fratty, yes i say too fratty(try too hard and look like douches) and north being a zero on frattines scale that the midwest must take the crown of top fratting. if you think you can argue your probably a southern douche who is obviously ugly and thinks that he can actually pull by wearing his polo and sperrys. i go to a midwest school and have seen transfer students wearing their letters around from Alabama and Miss. and they are complete D-bags then again ive seen pike on more than a few of them.

Howhardcanitbe, I suspect you’re right and mapi is a douche, or that was an unsuccessful attempt at humor. I can say in seriousness however that it can be the definition of douche to wear some simplified version of good clothes- sperry’s and polos, and being pretentious about it.

If mapi really thinks that everyone in the South are too fratty (90% aren’t) and that no one in the north is he’s clueless. If thinks bland, classless midwesterners are usually appropriately fratty he’s also wrong. He’s right about Pikes though.

seriously.. its been more than a month. we need some new material

Im looking to change my clothes from high school to more of a fratty look i need a good spot for some shoes any suggestions?

Reading this website and attempting to be a fratStar is similar to Al Gore reading the book on how to become ah alpha male. Unforgivable, embarassing, and ultimately career destroying. You can’t learn to be a fratStar by reading/posting on a blog. You learn by experience. If you fuck up then pay the price and learn from it. If you want to be in a good frat, grow some balls and act like a man. Be responsible, don’t look like a fucking scrub, and let your character talk for itself. The most seasoned veterans that we look up to today didn’t have this website, they achieved their status by trial and error, failure and triumph. This is my first and last visit to this website, and for greek life everywhere I hope this is a dying trend. People trust anything that is on the internet and it’s driving me fucking insane.