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Hoyt Thorpe said in July 4th, 2007 at 10:08 pm

And for fratty’s sake look the rush chairman in the eye and shake his hand like a man when he introduces himself. Wimpy, cold, clammy handshakes might as well be signs hung about your neck reading “I do not intend to ever shack with anything other than this very hand.” Not fratty, not acceptable. Ball.

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Legacy Fratter said in July 5th, 2007 at 1:30 am

What are some good tips for rushing when you’re a legacy? I NEVER want to come off as cocky before I even fucking get there. Any tips? I’m just trying to be as normal as any other rushee.

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Doug Neidermeyer said in July 5th, 2007 at 1:44 pm

Legacy,

The best advice we can give you is to not bring up your legacy status during rush except when you’re asked about it. This will most likely happen a good bit; actives who are also legacies will be interested to know if your fathers were possibly in the house together, or where your dad was initiated, etc. When asked, answer directly and honestly and don’t try to play down your status. It’s nothing to be ashamed of. The place where people get into trouble is when they go around bringing up, “So…I’m a legacy.” in every conversation.

Some actives may be looking for legacies who come off as cocky…and for good reason. There are many horror stories of legacy pledges who waltz in the first day like they own the house. However, as long as you act genuinely appreciative of the efforts that the brothers made to get you there during rush, and then genuinely humble during pledgeship, you shouldn’t have any problem.

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Doug Neidermeyer said in July 5th, 2007 at 1:45 pm

Hoyt - Great point. You can’t stress enough how important a respectable handshake is to a first impression.

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bargolfpro said in July 5th, 2007 at 3:02 pm

It is also a good idea NOT to accept a bid early in the summer. Even if you get a bid at the house you know you want to join…the bid is generally good until school starts. Keep in mind, the moment you accept a bid you are a pledge and you will not be drinking for free and going to other houses to party. Even when the actives tell you that you can take the bid and not do anything…someone has to clean stuff up. It may start with, “Hey man will you grab that”? and become “We need you to sweep the entire social area and start contributing to the rush fund…you got that $100″?

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UTMKA said in July 5th, 2007 at 3:52 pm

No self respecting house would snap bid a pledge in the beginning on the summer anyway, so if the opportunity arises, most definitely turn it down.

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Scratchgolfer said in July 5th, 2007 at 3:54 pm

Bargolfpro is right, the longer your pledgeship the more hell you will have to endure. Starting in the fall is always a good idea because you can participate in the intake in the spring.

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Stanky said in July 5th, 2007 at 5:30 pm

do not get black out taking shots of evan williams for poker chips and then spill your beer all over a $500 craps felt. rushee did that last year and we balled him instantly. he probably didnt even remember

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Goatherder said in July 5th, 2007 at 6:54 pm

I’ll never forget my favorite pledge. He was a “badass” in highschool, brought in lots of girls, and played football as a walk-on. During the first few weeks of pledging, he was arrogant and cocky. He thought he was going to tapdance his way through pledgeship….which is why when week 4 rolled around (the week when real hazing begins) all of us actives had him targeted. I’ll never forget the look on their faces during their first line-up….seeing about 50-60 actives walking down into the basement. Long story short, our football friend cried like a schoolgirl that entire night and quit the next day. Arrogance will get you nowhere when you’re a pledge.

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Tawny said in July 5th, 2007 at 7:22 pm

How long is pledgeship at your school?

At mine, it is generally your entire first year. It’s strange to hear people talking about initiation in the spring.

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Doug Neidermeyer said in July 5th, 2007 at 8:03 pm

Great stories Stanky and Goatherder.

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FratKing said in July 5th, 2007 at 9:08 pm

Goatherder - I’ve seen them smile like jackasses and cry like babies.

Rushees - Hoyt and Doug speak the truth, listen and learn.

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frattinghardorhardlyfratting? said in July 5th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

Off topic I know, but in the New York Times today rapper T.I. is shown in a full page photo wearing a Brooks Brothers polo. I understand seeing brands such as Polo and Lacoste, due to their widespread popularity, being worn by all kinds of unfratty people… but the Golden Fleece? I couldn’t believe it. Is this classic staple of fratty society in danger of becoming mainstream?

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Doug Neidermeyer said in July 5th, 2007 at 11:05 pm

FHOHF:

Any time you have a national market (as Brooks Brothers does) you’re going to have a wide cross-section of people wearing your clothing. However, such fashions are mere fads to the majority of non-fratty people, and will be replaced when the next fad comes along. Those of us fratting hard, on the other hand, will keep such traditional items as cornerstones of our wardrobe for time immemorial.

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Bluto said in July 6th, 2007 at 12:16 am

About bids being given out in the summer..

Here at UA its pretty common to give out a bid in the early part of the summer with the increasing number of freshmen rushees. We’re using the selective approach. We’ve had quite a few guys come over but we’ve selected a few that we’d really like to have in the Fall and given them bids. The rest we’re waiting until after our big rush events this month. But probably half of our fall class will be gotten in August when they first move down to UA for classes and are going to the houses during the day.

And I completely agree with the “that guy” theory. We had one 2 weeks ago. This kid mixed vodka with gatorade. Completely embarrassed himself. Needless to say, he will not be back.

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Anonymous said in July 6th, 2007 at 9:04 am

Question about good, fratty shoes for rushee, active, or alumni……..

Are the Cole Haan ‘Santa Barbera’ style shoes appropriately fratty?

Thanks.

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Hoyt Thorpe said in July 6th, 2007 at 9:47 am

Sperry Topsiders have got to be the frattyest shoes ever created. A close second would be old dress loafers you converted to casual wear, driving mocs, or your old grey New Balance crosstrainers you had to wear all through peldgeship. Oh, the memories…

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Hayden Fox said in July 6th, 2007 at 12:14 pm

Anonymous,

The Santa Barbara shoes would be okay if they didn’t have those god awful nike soles on them. I wouldn’t say they are unfratty, more of a “you don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here” type of situation.

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Doug Neidermeyer said in July 6th, 2007 at 12:44 pm

You could wear the Santa Barbaras and not raise an eyebrow, but there are frattier options out there (the Cole Haan driving moc being one of the best amongst them). I’d say they’re about a 6.5 on the official Institute of Fratology Fratometer (with 1 being an Abercrombie tank top and 10 causing GDI head explosions six states away). That may seem a bit low…but it’s actually pretty good on this particular scale. Your driving mocs, however, are a solid 8, at least.

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Anonymous said in July 6th, 2007 at 6:58 pm

If you’re looking for driving loafers, Tod’s make a good one, but that might be a little fashion-forward for this crowd. In that case, can’t go wrong with the Brooks Brothers iteration

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Anonymous said in July 8th, 2007 at 7:44 am

I appreciate the comments and input regarding the Cole Haan shoes. I’m also considering a pair of Mephisto. How would they rate on the Frat scale? They’re very pricey…which means gdi’s won’t be able to get their greaseball hands on them too easily. I’m considering the ‘Banduard’ style. I like the slip-ons. When broken in properly, they look like they could be quite fratty.

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future sorostitute said in July 8th, 2007 at 10:44 pm

ive noticed alot of talk on this website about good fraternities, but what are well recognized sororities. My dad was a KA and my mom was a DZ but DZ isn’t very big where i’m going. ive heard alot of good things about ADPi and ZTA but i was wondering what yall thought.

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Sorostitute of the South said in July 8th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

Future sorostitute,
Where are you going to school?

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Sugar Magnolia said in July 8th, 2007 at 11:17 pm

future sorostitute–
i had a similar situation. the house my mom was in has a chapter at my school, but it is definitely not a strong chapter (actually probably the worst, but i dont want to slander) and i ended up in a different house. it definitely holds that chapters of the same sorority can vary widely depending on which school you go to, so it’s good that you’re doing some investigating.

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Creedence Fratwater Revival said in July 9th, 2007 at 10:16 am

future sorostitute-
sugar magnolia is right on the money with her assessment. its also been noticeable on the comment boards when people try to make blanket slams against entire national fraternities when they vary even within the same state. while being a legacy is quite fratty, joining up with a bunch of douchebags that have taken over something that used to be great is a bad road to travel. check them out, find a good one, and proceed to frat like mad.

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Doug Neidermeyer said in July 9th, 2007 at 2:58 pm

Future Sorostitute -

You get great advice from bot CFR and Sugar. Being a legacy is incredible when the house is good, but houses can swing from best-on-campus to poor in a very short time. I’m sure your mom chose them at the time because they were good, and she will expect you to choose a good house as well. Those who have been in the Greek system know how the cycles run, and most know that their children will have to choose what is best for them.

As CFR said, 2 chapters of the same fraternity may be polar opposites at 2 schools within 40 miles of one another. We’ve seen it in our own house, and we know that’s how it is all over the country.

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future sorostitute said in July 10th, 2007 at 3:06 pm

Well thanks for the advice yall. My mom agrees, she wants me to join a sorority that is strong at my school, and even though she wishes DZ was big there, she has seen the girls and wouldn’t want me to rush it either. I just want to make sure i want to rush a sorority that not only has a good chapter where i go to school, but a positive reputation overall. Thanks for the advice yall and have a good summer.

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Sratty said in July 15th, 2007 at 2:37 pm

future sorostitute-
what school are you going to?

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Daniel said in August 1st, 2007 at 12:52 pm

Regarding gentlemen’s shoes, Cole Haan is usually a fine choice, but for the same price one can buy a better brand, Johnston & Murphy. J&M is an old frat staple worn by your father in the 70’s. I’d say J&M’s lineup is, as a whole, much frattier than Cole Haan, because Cole has given in to many questionable, trendy styles as of late (including the abominable “squared off” toe dress shoe). However, like Polo, they’re still a good choice provided you’re willing to hold your nose and wade through the sea of GDI-targetted models.

If you’re looking for even higher quality dress or bus casual shoes, I’d probably go with Allen Edmonds (English) or Alden (American), but be prepared to fork over $300+

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Doug Neidermeyer said in August 1st, 2007 at 9:07 pm

Cole Haan and Polo are good examples, because they each have one item that is an absolute staple…the driving moc and the Polo shirt.

J&M is a great call, though. As Daniel said…they’re simply classic.

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