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Making pledges sing Bitch and Where Have All the Cowboys Gone to enter the house… TFM. The boiling water is kinda amateur league
Yeah, I know some guys who used to be in this chapter. What they used to have to do is put their balls in tabasco sauce for up to an hour at a time. This stuff in the article sounds weak compared to that.
PIKEs need to stay out of the news. This sounds less humiliating and more like a mess. I hope the pledges had to at least clean upp afterward.
i wish i could lick tabasco sauce off of their balls!
Pike isn’t fratty.
Drugging girls=NF
look at where they are from…bellmore, NY…NJ…Michigan…sounds like a bunch of gel head guidos.
I like your name mstitletown. And I was about to mention the same exact thing. Look at where these guys are from…..the north. Typical obnoxious yankee behavior.
Doing push ups and singing? That isnt hazing. Pledges here in the SOUTH are truly hazed, and they are best men on campus.
Ihazepledges, you must be from the north, or don’t know how to party. Secondly, it doesn’t matter which fraternity got caught hazing, because we all do it - as I can agree with southern fratter, at least everyone down here in the South does. The fact is, these yanks were stupid and got caught.
yeah, once again I know from first hand experience, they’re all from the north. rich jewish kids from the northeast who come down to new orleans to party. they all dress horrible, and have really shitty accents, but in their own way frat tabbed really hard and had good parties
I read on past the article and read the comments. Most of them made me puke. But then again, what am I doing defending PIKE?
Just because people like Tulane are wealthy and will own you doesn’t mean you should call them names. I’m sure you can take your degree from LSU and sweep the floors in a few years. Also let’s remember the selling point for rushing PKA, a shiny red fire truck. You get what you see; and PKA can meat it up all they like. At least haze with some taste boys. Just for reference, everyone who claims the Southern men are better should realize that you lost the war. Also note the wealth distribution in the United States and where all the money stays. Clearly the economic polarization shows the North is on top, as always. Cheers, and enjoy a sweet tea on me.
false, the north is just a bunch of vaginas when it comes to hazing, and easternfratty i am sure you are a piece of shit
First and foremost, this is just another form of confirmation that pike is an awful fraternity. At my university (in the north) pike’s do not haze, they do not even pledge. They are initiated maybe a week after they receive their bid (which is not even a challenge because they bid everyone that walks through the door). As a matter of fact most of the fraternities on my campus do not haze, nor have any sort of hell period. Being an active Sig, I can assure you our pledges go through a quarter long pledge process after which leads them into ID period. So I guess I see where southern frat guys get the notion that northern fraternities don’t haze. But just like an ignorant GDI believing that all fraternities are the same would be wrong, so would a misinformed southern frat guy believing that all northern fraternities do not haze or haze without having a point or purpose such as throwing eggs at a pledge. Oh and I am also not jewish.
I am a Pike, and this makes me sick. Don’t get me wrong about pledgeship, I think hazing is very effective and needs to be done to at least weed out the weak, but boiling water on their genitals? Hell no. My chapter pledges for a whole semester and we do have a I-week. There are chapters on my campus that do not pledge men and they get zero respect for it as you all can imagine. You have no brotherhood or bonds to tie pledge classes together if you are initiated in a week. That is a glorified dorm. One chapter on my campus that doesn’t pledge lost their house last year and had to move into a smaller house, and lost half of their “brothers”. That would never happen to my chapter. So take your shots at Pike, but we do very well on my campus.
Exactly as King Frat put it very well hazing happens and proves to be effective, that was out of line and realize chapters vary from school to school Pike is actually at the top of my university and many others as well. It was stupid… actions have been made… and yankees cannot and should not act like they know what we do down here in the south…
EasternFratty: Clearly, your knowledge of the War of Nourthern Aggression is limited. We fought the War for States’ Rights, and we won those rights in the long term. But thats a story for another day.
Wealth Distribution is a flawed premise on which to base frattiness, because only well-off men join the prestigious fraternities in the South, thus eliminating any claim to being wealthier in the North. I would place a handsome wager that the top fraternities at the Universities of Mississippi, Georgia, and Alabama have more money in them than most fraternities in the Northern part of the Union.
And while Northern Fraternity boys haze because its “cool, man, because we’re in a frat”, Southern Fraternities continue a tradition of hazing that is passed on from generation to generation that creates better Men and leaders in Southern Society. So Fuck off.
Absolutely disgusting. What these carpetbagger Yankees fail to understand is that Southern Fraternities are for Gentlemen and effective hazing produces loyalty and camraderie amongst brothers. These northern animals prove once again that they don’t understand what it means to be truly fratty. They treat each other like shit and have no respect for their brothers or fraternity.
I’m getting damn tired of carpetbaggers imitating the South, going to Southern schools and destroying our culture and traditions. Why is it that you aren’t able to get your noses out of our business for the last 147 years? If it’s so bad down here why come down at all?
We sure as hell didn’t invite you.
Absolutely disgusting. What these carpetbagger Yankees fail to understand is that Southern Fraternities are for Gentlemen and effective hazing produces loyalty and camraderie amongst brothers. These northern animals prove once again that they don’t understand what it means to be truly fratty. They treat each other like shit and have no respect for their brothers or fraternity.
I’m getting damn tired of carpetbaggers imitating the South, going to Southern schools and destroying our culture and traditions. Why is it that you aren’t able to get your noses out of our business for the last 147 years? If it’s so bad down here why come down at all?
We sure as hell didn’t invite you.
“The fraternity, commonly called PIKE, now faces allegations that members poured boiling water on the bodies of pledges and caked them with flour, crab boil, vinegar, cayenne peppers and wasabi sauce. The victims were treated at a local hospital with second- and third-degree burns, according to New Orleans police.” That is not hazing that is just dumb, just like most of you southern boys, not men. Also, I’m not Jewish.
“Idiots”,
I think everyone here agrees it was dumb. Thank you for the insight. Maybe instead of boiling water they should have over-gelled and spiked the pledges hair, shoved Jaeger bombs down their throats, shaved their chests, arms and legs, and packed as many Heineken’s in their cargo pockets as possible. Then they could unbutton their Express shirts 4 more buttons on the way to vote for Hillary. Hope U-Mass is a great time.
all of you dixie pride people who are ripping on northern fraternities don’t realize the idea of the fraternity and the actual fraternity itself started in the north. now i am in a fraternity in the “south” and i love it. but for you to sit there and bash the north, think of that.
Just out of curiosity, if one has family in both the South (Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina) and the North (Yes, evil Michigan-Dad is a retired auto executive) that is pre-war (Revolutionary) on both sides (Mom and Dad) what does that make you? So, Georgia for most of the year, Michigan in the Summer. Lake Michigan is nice in the summer.
Yes, many people in the North are rude. Way higher gel-head ratio. But to imply that everyone in the North is unfratty is dumb. I would hardly say the Ford family is unfratty. No, I am not a Ford, but they are from Michigan and would seem to qualify as fratty…so my point is blanket generalizations are dumb and thus NOT fratty.
BothSides, I’d say you are fine. The South just happens to continue to stand for the aristocratic lifestyle, and good breeding and an aristocratic way of life are more cherished in the south than in the north. Occasional trips or ties to the north are fine. I prefer the warmth and culture of the south, but plenty of wall street bankers and old money northerners are fratty. Too many act like they are from new money and jump on the latest trend bandwagon. As long as you are more Sherman McCoy than Larry Kramer, all is well.
Actually I have a great^n uncle who is on both sides of a civil war battle monument in Kentucky…the battle was on his farm. He wanted them off his farm.
Anyone in a real Fraternity knows that the north sucks in general… What I want to know is what are you going to do when you graduate from college and try to get a job? For some reason I dont see many employers looking for gelled hair, cargo pockets, abercromie wearing guys. Like it was mentioned before Fraternitys in the South are here to make men who will be successful in all aspects of life. The north sucks, if a women or black man becomes president I say the south should break off and form a new country.
frattymcfraterson-Me or someone else? No gel or abercrombie here. Strictly Brooks Brothers, LL Bean, J Press, Orvis, & Land’s End. I just happen to summer in Michigan, Harbor Springs to be specific. You are correct that the North does IN GENERAL suck, but pockets are quite nice. For example: NYC is jewish & guido, but the upper east side is a bunch of white-shoe Episcopalians.
boys, no matter how fratty you may be, talking about clothes makes you sound gay. wear them with the knowledge that you are better than everyone else, and leave the discussion to us ladies.
PS LL Bean? seriously?
Frattymcfraterson, go screw yourself. If a woman or a black man becomes a president, then so be it, but you don’t have to be a racist and a sexist. That is definately not fratty you douchebag. As for the North/South thing, aspects of both are good and bad. Northerners at least don’t wear ridiculous looking croakies but Southerners are much more polite though.
this anonymous person is clearly a fag
I think I just read that the south stands for good breeding? I think I just threw up in my mouth. The South is notorious for inbreeding and a shitty education. I’m pretty sure the majority of the most prestigious schools in this country are in the north.
i second the fact that the anonymous person is a douche. majority of the comments posted are from people with ties to the south, a place where racism and sexism are excused. Neither Obama or Hilary are frat. Leaving politics out of this, McCain definitly fits the mold even though he went to the naval academy. Part of the reason education in the south isn’t getting better is because all of the cheesedicks from the north are taking the scholarships away from people that live in southern states. If the education is so great there in places like michigan, west. virg., ill., and ohio which rank in the bottom 15 in education, then stay on your side of the mason-dixon and “haze balls” there.
To say the schools suck down south is wrong. Latest US News rankings for research 1 schools:
Duke(#8), Emory(#17),Vanderbilt(#19), Virginia(#23),UNC(#28), Wake Forest(#30), William and Mary(#33), Georgia Tech(#35), Tulane(#50), Georgia(#59), Clemson(#67), Virginia Tech(#67), Alambama(#91), Auburn(#96T),Tennessee(#96T)
Among national liberal arts colleges:
Davidson College(#8), Washington and Lee(#15), Furman College(#37), Sewanee(#40T), University of Richmond(#40T),Centre College(#44), Rhodes College(#49), Wofford College(#59), VMI(#71), Sweet Briar College(#83), Millsaps College(#87), +6 more in the top 100
what about Texas?
Don’t forget Texas, Rice, SMU, Baylor, Oklahoma, U Florida
Yeah, I was trying to keep it to old-line southern states. Texas is Texas to me, not the “south”.But, yes Texas has some great schools. Florida is always weird, some hard core southerners & some gell-heads that would never be found at Alambama or Georgia. Oklahoma is the south??? I thought it is just considered “west”…cool, but not the south.
BTW-When you consider graduate school rankings then they get even better. For example Georgia Tech is top, bar none (including MIT &CalTech) is certain areas of engineering (industrial & operations research I think) and Emory is a real stand out as well. If you include Texas in this then Austin is an absolute research powerhouse with top 10 programs in at least twenty areas spanning business (accounting, info systems) and science. Then there is Duke. So, moral of the story is that the notion that the schools are no good in the south is just wrong.
mstitletown-Point taken. Yes, LL Bean as I said I summer in Michigan.
I have come to the conclusion that most of the debates on this site could be summarized as follows:
If it is old it is fratty, if it is new it is not. Exception: women.
On another note, how about the definition of the south:
strictest definition: Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Louisiana, WEST Tennessee (anyone with connections there knows what I am talking about), Virginia (I know many parts these days are questionable, but given the history it must be included), North Carolina (same situation as Virginia), and NORTHERN MOST Florida.
More inclusive: Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Louisiana, Tennessee, Virginia, North Carolina, NORTHERN Florida, Kentucky, East Texas, Arkansas.
Correction: East Tenn. (Nashville to Knoxville) is fratty. North Florida (Tallahassee to Jacksonville) is not fratty
All of Tennessee is the South. I don’t know enough about the state to say which parts are frattier than others, but as long as there are country clubs and gentlemen drinking good bourbon, that’s good enough for me.
What about Oklahoma? I can’t admit that it’s a true southern state, but it does have a strong frat basis compared to the surrounding area, and it is by all means not NF.
I agree OKfrat - see my earlier post
I dont care about schools or any of this other crap that can be argued on all day. Plain and simple here it is…. I find it funny how almost every northern person that comes to the south loves it for the kind people, weather, and overall southern respect atmoshpere. And how most of them choose to retire in the SOUTH not the north(which they all claim is so great). I also find it funny how nearly every person from the south thinks the north is ok to visit every now and then but would hate to live there, the people are rude, very liberal, and most think it sucks overall. whats the common link here? You be the judge but that my friends is all true and 99% of us can agree on that. Sure there are pockets of good and bad in the south and the north but im talking about the big picture.
P.S. another reason the north is gay is they cannot think for themselves. I am a republican but I think we need a democrat as president this time around becuase it is good to change. In the past a switch from republican to democrat and vica versa has kept this country running smoothly. However, if anyone in their right F-ing mind thinks that hillary or obama is the right person for job they are legally insane(most northerners will vote for them because thats what the media and everyone else is doing). Is that really the best the democrats have to offer? Come on, there has got to be someone in that party that is a normal american. Not a huge fan of mccain either but hell he’s ten times better than those two will ever be. The end.
not to get into a whole political debate but i agree with the previous post. it is a recent trend in national politics where the general public rules out the best canidates because they cant raise enough money or just because we are ignorant. it is not just the north, but many towns in the rural south who will vote along party lines because they have been doing it for generations. it is about time we have another fdr, reagan, or shit even bill clinton
PIKE is so gay and the complete opposite of anything resembling a half way decent fraternity. bunch of dirty guidos
Ok, avoiding the whole North v South and politics, (I’m southern so my position is clear) lets focus on the issue. Given that fraternities are meant to be an establishment of better men, look at what the retards did. How the hell is that productive, seriously if you are going to haze have a point and use it to build a man, not prove that you are a pussy who never got over getting that wedgie in the 3rd grade.
So late to catch up but here goes. Great quote:
“Absolutely disgusting. What…Yankees fail to understand is that Southern Fraternities are for Gentlemen and effective hazing produces loyalty and camaraderie amongst brothers.” (Also nod to Frat Prophet for his comment.)
I do not think it is FH to haze the shit out of someone. You make a better selection in the first place in terms of who to give a bid and the hazing should be fun and build loyalty and camaraderie; and optimally should include some material benefit at the end. Losers who need groups will stick through the toughest process, and won’t be made better by it. A good chapter wants a guy who is socially successful without a frat but chooses to pledge himself to other people who he feels are worth associating with.
Beware of door-pushers who are so eager and will do anything to get letters; equals a bunch of needy losers ala the news story. Instead select and subtly recruit like a good gentlemen’s club.
PS I am a Southerner but there is no denying the best schools are in the North (and West) and that many of the better schools in the South are filled with Yankees, i.e. Tulane, Emory, Duke, Rice, etc. It’s a problem. Some of the schools WASP mentioned I would not send my dog to, though I am sure he would succeed academically.
Good points Standard. I agree with almost everything you said, except your comments on the schools I mentioned. There are some good students and good professors at every major school - some schools have more of each than others, but superiority doesn’t equal exclusivity.
Funny WASP, I came back to correct after a conversation on the subject. On further consideration I do see where the truth may fall somewhere in the middle.
IMHO exclusivity and numerical factors do have some validity but “reputations” often seem skewed against some of our Southern institutions. And as you aptly mentioned good students and professors are everywhere.
It may be my “Southerness” speaking but it seems that as soon as we spend more state money or our endowments grow our institutions are inundated with the wrong sort of people and we become Brandeis South. Not to get political but I’d take AA any day over Southern schools becoming more like Tulane. Guess it is left to frat alum at these schools to put pressure to keep our schools competitive while holding the line.
Hm, I don’t know about ya’ll…I’m going to enjoy my undergrad (aka 5 football seasons) at a respectable SEC institution, and apply to law school at one of these so called “good” schools later. I don’t think I’ll have an issue with being accepted, so until then, pass the bourbon and let the good times pour. Cheers.
Agreeds Standard. You might be surprised how hard it is to get into a good law school TitleTown, but good luck and drink one for me.
Agreed Standard. You might be surprised how hard it is to get into a good law school TitleTown, but good luck and drink one for me.
good arguement. there are so many fraternities in so many places now that being greek has become so standardized. now they even have a tv show about it. our generation is one filled with soccer moms and so many rules and regulations we dont even know what to do with. many people think a fraternity is the place to make up for that and the founders of many fraternities, which most were founded in the north, would be kicking in their graves if they knew this was the case. So many people join only because it always provides them with a way to get drunk. You shouldn’t need to be in a fraternity, the fraternity should need you. Im sure there are some good guys that are pike at tulane, probably their exec, but the ones that did this are just like many of the meatheads in other fraternities at other schools. They just got caught.
The arguement about schools is irrelevant because where you go to undergrad does not matter as much today as long as you go to a somewhat decent school.
okay, pike is not a very good national fraternity…how many really are? Most places up north and west coast mess up a fraternitys\’sreputation. I know pikes are good at uga, bama, ga southern, ga state, tennessee, virginia, etc. but then when you get to ucla, southrn cal, university of florida etc it sucks, i’m pretty sure that is how all of them are. hell KA’s in california have black people and asians in them.
I know some Pikes at UA, and while I like them, it’s certainly not one of the best fraternities on campus.
In my opinion the girl’s were probably not drugged at that “saturate” party. Different girls have different alcohol tolerances and at a party where clearly you get super drunk, sorostitutes will get called out by the sisters for doing an embarassing act and call rape.
I heard a ChiO the other night tell me she thinks she got drugged at our house the previous night. The next time I saw her, she told me that she had just had too much to drink… bitches ain’t shit.
When I was at UA, our Fraternity beat the hell out of a bunch of pikes…..and we were outnumbered.
It seems to me, that the inbreeding goes on in west virginia, not the south. Also you may have the better schools, but there are plenty in the south that are top notch…and southern schools are WAY more frat than northern ones. Also, we breed well b/c there are no hot women in the north, they all live in the south….and thats a fact. Most northern fraternites are the ones that give fraternity men bad names by sporting hollister muscle shirtsand gelled hair..while drinking heineken and cosmopolitans
go drink a protein shake, Goat Herder, you f****** f**……
Classy response
I am a pike as well and agree this shit is real dumb. How are you going to hide/not get medical attention for 3rd degree burns
Not to spark a politics debate, but find it particularly unusual that some of y’all think its so “southern” and “fratty” to go around touting the Republican party.
Lets not forget that the South’s political roots are in the Democratic Party and moderate populism. It only started turning so red when the Republicans appealed so strongly to people’s moral insecurities. Besides, VA, NC, and maybe even GA could turn this go around.
The Byrd machine might have been playing on these “moral insecurities” you speak of VA Gentlemen. The South has varied more between elite paternalism and populism; and Southern populism has not always been moderate judging from the more famous populist leaders.
Southerners, especially those of a better class have always been pragmatic and used parties to their ends, not the other way around. Southern politics (the most fratty politics) are local and state because we get to control that. And if you are a Virginian you know that some of that starts in college among the private fraternities and societies which serve as a breeding ground for future leaders, especially at the top state universities.
Southern political machines: Very Fratty.
Neocons: Anti-Fratty.
Obama: Douchebag.
I think the argument between fraternities in the south vs. fraternities in the north is about the same as the argument about the sec and the big 10 all you damn gel heads think youre badass at football but its obvious who is the more dominate confrence…if the north is so good why is the south so much better at everything?
and VA gentleman being republican is fratty because being black is not…and the south started turning away from the democratic party when the started standing up for fags and poor people both of which are not fratty
UT Cougar, wouldn’t you agree that the North is better at winning civil wars than the South?
Ouch. Good point Fratmandu. If we were saying “better” than the grads from Ivy Leagues and other top colleges are higher ranked and their grads make far more money and are far more successful. And it would mean that USC Trojans and Notre Dame are more fratty than anyone in the South except possibly Alabama historically. It’s not the argument that we want to use.
This obsession with blacks is sad. If you are in a better position than someone you don’t complain about them so much. It’s the reason why upper class whites have always pitted poor trash and the poor blacks against each other. Some people on here are obviously trash looking for a primer on social climbing but they keep showing their rednecks.
I thought Anonymous was about right on everything.
well yes but i believe thats about it and college football is more important anyway
Phi Gam fucking sucks at Alabama, whole bunch of pussy faggets, I got a bid from them last weekend and I’m a damn Sigma Nu, they are cunts, please light shit on fire and throw it at their ivy, thats what the Bear would’ve done
UT Cougar, I hope you don’t think racism and homophobia make you cool or something. Here I am, born in Alabama and raised in Virginia, thinking that all that shit was the one unfortunate stain on the South, but I’m glad you’ve chosen to celebrate it and make yourself look like a major douchebag. As for “poor people,” those were all ways the folks the Democratic Party stood up for from the party’s roots in the mostly poor agrarian base of Jefferson’s party.
Anonymous, I agree with most of what you said. Ha. Political machines are about as fratty as fratty can possibly get. I would say that you should add rural grassroots politics to the list though, regardless of party.
I wouldn’t call Obama a douchebag, because I’m pretty sure most of y’all think that just because hes a black man. Hes just not a Southerner and he doesn’t yet understand politics in the South. Southern Democrats who get it, like John Edwards and party advisors like Mudcat Saunders and Steve Jarding, are very much the fabric of the South and I’d say far more “southern” or “fratty” than any carpetbagging, turncoat Republican.
Wow VA, you pushing that line hard ain’t ya hoss? I think Obama is a douche because he’s a douche. I tell you what else is douchey- hearing that if I don’t support a black douchebag it’s because I don’t like blacks. Did you get that line directly from the media? And why don’t you tell it to 90% of blacks who voted for a candidate because he’s black?
He’s a douche because he is kissing Israel’s ass he’s almost tounging and promising to send $30 billion of my money to them and have Americans die for them; he said he would have opposed our soldiers being in Iraq but has supported all the appropriation bills; because he says he would have opposed NAFTA if he was in office but supported CAFTA and other trade legislation that hurts Americans; because he supports bringing over people from dirtbag countries with inferior educational systems to undercut American professionals; he was a poverty pimping crook in Chicago; he supports health care legislation having government pay private companies that happens to leave out working people-(I detest government and the private sector getting together because it leads to entrenched greed and waste- unless I have someway to get rich from it, then it’s pretty legit.)
Oh, and he made a douchey, facile indictment of white Protestant support of guns, immigration control and religion.
He is full of empty rhetoric and demagoguery in a colorized package and if I have to have bullshit, yeah I’ll take white guy over a black one, just to piss off the self hating white liberals.
Not to get political though…;)
PIKE sucks at Georgia Southern. They give a bid to anyone who comes to thier first two parties of the year, and many have ear rings,and spiky hair. not to mention thier reputation for ruffies and bieng overall douches. they only have around half of thier chapter at rush events becuase they are embarassed about the rest of them. Skateboarders, not fratty (yes I have seen a guy in a pike shirt riding a skateboard and I laughed)
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