I just got into medical school / law school / graduate school. Is this fratty?
Doctors, lawyers, and business executives are all fratty occupations and all, except for possibly the business executive, require extra education. Therefore, it is fratty if one must spend extra time on campus in order to one day have a fratty occupation. Just remember to not abort your presumably fratty ways by continuously studying instead of taking part in all the activities you once did on a regular basis as an undergraduate.
What is the appropriate inseam length or short-knee relationship for a fratdaddy?
Ideally, shorts should not extend below three inches above the knee. In the past, your professors have frattabbed by paying tailors to alter shorts to avoid them from appearing as the same length as jorts (jean-shorts), a favorite among GDI’s engaging in hardcore douchebaggery. Inseam measurements will help you the most in your quest for appropriate lengths. Five to seven inch inseams are the best for a fratdaddy of average height. For an example of fratting hard in regards to short length, watch Tom Selleck (Fratty Celebrity of the Month in January) in an episode of Magnum P.I.
What styles of hair are considered fratty?
For an undergraduate, nothing can beat the frat staple of hairstyles, the fratshag (see the dictionary). The fratshag says, “I have a normal, conservative hairstyle yet I frat so hard that I do not have time to waste at a barbershop.” If you are unable to grow a fratshag because of genetics, then try to emulate the hairstyle as close as possible. Since professionalism is a concern in the business world, the post-grad fratdaddy must get their ears lowered at more frequent intervals than his undergrad equivalent. Mostly, avoid the pitfalls that will certainly cause you to have an unfratty hairstyle. If your hairstyle involves a hair-care product, then it cannot be fratty. As we have stated before, shampoo should be the only thing that is ever placed on your hair.
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Hey Doug,
I was wondering what you recommend for formal date functions pocket t’s or standard t’s without pockets? I feel that the pocket t’s are a necessity however some of my frat brothers feel that they are pointless and not good. What do you feel is the best for formal shirts?
as long as there isn’t more than one pocket, you should be good. if anything it’s more of a personal preference. if you take your suit coat off, you need to put your flask somewhere. one outfit that should always be avoided is the shortsleeve shirt with a tie. fratdaddies should never look like GDI computer dorks. from what it sounds “Frattie”, i think your brothers might be too concerned about frivolous details when the focus really should be on squeezing every last drop of frattiness out of the formal. dress fratty, bring a hot date, drink heavily, and enjoy the fratmosphere.
t’s need to have chest pocket…standard fratternity issue. good for so many things: pack of smokes, can of dip, extra beer….the possibilities are endless
I believe “Frattie” was referring to fraternity shirts that are given to brothers and dates to wear before formals. Do you think that these shirts with ones letters on it shoujld be pocket t or just a plain t. Also are there any companies that are better to go with for the pocket t shirts?
I was once T-Shirt Chairman for my Fraternity. After reading this question, I went back and double-checked all of my old t-shirts. 95% of them had the pockets. I think the reason being is exactly what Fratty J. McFratterson was referring to.
customink.com, excellent place to get t shirts made
Just from a sorostitute’s point of view, McFratterson, a pack of smokes & a can of dip is not frat… a cigar, on the other hand, is a quite different story.
You can’t say “a pack of smokes & a can of dip is not frat… a cigar, on the other hand, is a quite different story.” Sure, not only fraternity brothers carry cigarettes or a tin, many douche bags do as well, but it is still a staple in fraternities. Yes cigars can be very fratty but they are not something you carry around everyday and would need to keep in your t-shirt pocket. That statement is ridiculous though, it is like saying “beer is not frat… Jim Beam (or whatever), on the other hand, is a quite different story.”
A cigar is something you relax and enjoy, not something you just smoke whenever. While a good cigar smoked at the right moment can be fratty, you should keep them in a humidor, not in your chest pocket.
On the subject of dip, I like to dip occasionally, though certain sorostitutes have made it clear to me that they would rather me not. Dip has and always will be very popular with fraternity men. Dip is indeed fratty.
I’m gonna have to go with frattinghardorhardlyfratting? on this one. I would be willing to bet that just as many douchebag gdi World Series of Poker wannabes smoke cigars as fratters. Dip and cigs are better for everyday.
Can someone tell me what line of clothing “W” is ? Oh and if anybody here appreciates the frattyness of bowties, you should look at southernproper.com
Doug-
would coaching college football be considered a Fratty Occupation?
its V V for vineyard vines, ted. Southern Proper is alright, atleast it is based in the south. the ones with cotton balls were the only ones to my standard
UA Fratty, I believe the W you are asking about is just VV, two V’s, as in Vineyard Vines. I myself have been confused a couple times just glancing at it, it seems as though the V’s run together a little with this font.
I’m looking for a casual fratty belt similar to this
http://www.vineyardvines.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/products.detail/categoryID/0f344cb8-e542-4dd0-908b-0d616d98e02e/productID/f5b7f146-4b0e-4ab8-8b2f-fba116340db9/
Any suggestions?
My dog recently informed me that she is in need of a fashion update and seeing as how she has helped me shack with countless numbers of hot Sorostitutes I figured I owed it to her. So my question is what collar should I get her I have been looking at the VV collars but seeing how she is also a hunting dog (She’s a chocolate lab by the way) I don’t know if they really fit.
my sorority is trying to revamp our philanthropy week - any suggestions to help make it as frattastic as possible? We were thinking Croquet or Mini-golf tournaments? What is something you guys would like to do?
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Theta, instead of mini-golf, why not an actual golf tournament?
I agree with Hayden. An actual golf tournament might be a bigger project, but it will provide greater incentive for our post-grad fratters (and their checkbooks) to get involved.
I’m in the market for a new pair of sunglasses - obviously a pair of Costas, but which model is the most fratty?
Rayban Wayfarers are the frattiest sunglasses. I see too many poor redneck Nascar fans wearing Costas they look so cheap and trailer park to me.
Not sure about the Wayfarers, like them, but they certainly wouldn’t look good with a pair of croakies
By the way, FH, it’s not “three inches above the knees”, it’s 5″ inseam. If you’re 6′6 it’s still a 5″ inseam.
I think that the portion of this article which mentions shorts could use a pic.
I would say coaching college football is definitely a fratty occupation.
Frattie,
Fraternity T’s should always have a pocket for a pack of cigarettes, can of dip, etc. Sorority T’s should never have a pocket. Due to the female anatomy and the fact that sorostitutes carry purses, they are useless. If the shirt is made specifically for fratdaddies, then it should have a pocket and vice-versa.
- Professor Stratton
UA Fratty,
I agree with Doug that coaching college football is a fratty occupation. We posted an article during bowl season on the five frattiest college football coaches who are still in the business.
- Professor Stratton
Theta,
Possibly the best event for philanthropy is a golf tournament at a local country club. This is more likely to bring rich alumni into town and they will be more willing to write a large check if a round of golf is involved. You can also combine the golf tournament with a fratty activity that will occur after the tournament, such as a crawfish boil with a live band and open bar.
- Professor Stratton
5 inch inseam will make you look like one of the village people.
Speaking of shorts however, I highly recommend getting the new summer Bill’s Khaki shorts, the limited edition ones are so soft, and very fratty color choices.
elmo. i can tell your fraternity sucks.
south georgia frat boy, i can tell that you’re in a third tier shit fraternity and enjoy slapping boys butts and laughing
Keep in mind that with the shorts, the point isn’t to have the shortest inseams. The point is to keep it conservative and not look like a Latino gangbanger with shorts almost to your ankles. Almost equally important though, is to keep in mind the number of CEO’s and professional golfers you see wearing 2″ inseams. Not too many by my count. Something like just screams “I ditched my hair gel and Hollister August of my freshman year right before rush and now I try waaay too hard.”
I would just like your input on what you think the frattiest watches are, I already have a nice formal watch but what’s a nice watch to just wear around?
Elmo, while I do see alot of white trash rednecks wearing Costas it doesnt mean that you have to drop them altogether as a choice in sunglasses. If we gave up wearing everything douchebags wore we wouldn’t have anything left. Are you also ready to stop wearing Polo, Lacoste, North Face or your Topsiders just because some gel head d-bag decided to get the same thing. And as far as shorts my favorites are 5″ Patagonia Stand Ups and 6″ Polo Andrew shorts, i’m 6′2″ and they work just fine.
Careful with the shorts. While 5 millimeter inseams were fratty in the 70’s, I’d say 5 inches is the bare minimum these days. Tom Selleck probably isn’t the best to imitate…
http://www.sportspickle.com/features/volume2/05072003-selleck.jpg
Although there is nothing inherently wrong with those shorts, practically they don’t make as much sense. One false movement and your sack is going to flop out.
Is a Jeep Liberty viewed as an acceptable frathoe?
I realize it can be seen as a chick car, but it is a pretty good off-road vehicle, great for getting around my family’s 640 acres in northern Michigan. It’s not a ‘Limited’ model, just a regular Sport package that is perfectly capable off-road, but not nice enough where I am afraid to mess it up. Other details are that it is free courtesy of my dad’s employer, DaimlerChrysler, and they pick up the insurance tab as well as allowing unlimited miles. The color is silver.
I’m happy with the car, Chrysler is paying for it, sorostitutes don’t mind it, it is big enough for keg transportation, and it leaves the pledges no excuses for poor driving.
Is this choice of vehicle acceptable or should I be looking to upsize? Mind that the due to our automaker affiliation, the only suitable frathoes would be Chrysler models, leaving the Dodge Durango, Jeep Grand Cherokee, and Jeep Commander.
jesus, i hope you are kidding. if anybody besides a hot sorostitute is driving then it is just plain gay. there are plenty to choose from and your choice just turned out to be the gayest. i suggest you trade it in immediately
I think I’m fucked until November or so then. I didn’t choose it, through high school I had a new Dodge Durango every six months (the Hemi made it a very fratty vehicle.) Upon not having a car at school for two years, I found Chrysler had decided to turn one of our cars into a Liberty (ended up with me), and one of them a Commander (Dad).
So it looks like I will be forced to begin my year with a Liberty. I knew this would be the answer, I was just trying to be able to live with myself for the next few months. I will talk things over with dad and ensure that I find myself behind the wheel of a different model next year.
But this brings some things into play: if Chrysler won’t give me a more expensive car, is it acceptable to take a Jeep Wrangler? The Wrangler is pretty rugged, but I can also see that this could be a popular vehicle choice for GDIs. Also, the Liberty is being redesigned for the 2008 model year, giving it a look much closer to the old Cherokee and the current Commander. Does that make the Liberty any more acceptable?
I am really struggling with this. But if the Wrangler and new Liberty are unacceptable, I will have to force my dad into getting me a larger frathoe.
wrangler is fine. make sure to get a 4×4 and possibly some sort of off road package from the factory for occasional wheeling. remember, almost anything is better than the liberty
So I just signed a lease on an apartment here in nashville where I am going to medical school at Vandy next year and I am trying to figure out what would be the most fratty way to furnish it. Any advice?
Howski, I’m pretty sure all Wranglers are 4×4.
By the way Jonathan, even though Topsiders are a frat staple, every fratter at my college has given up on them for the time being. It seems as though every GDI in a 100-mile radius has a pair of Sperrys now, so us fratties has been wearing driving mocs now for the past 6 months. I suggest you do the same.
Also, who on here isn’t from the SEC? Was just wondering.
Fratty Light, We have also started wearing driving mocs more often for the same reason so many GDI’s have caught onto the sperrys. Not to worry though they will soon jump on the next trend and leave the topsiders behing. Anyway what type of driving movs have yall been wearing? We have been wearing the ben silver suede mocs, they are pretty expensive but I guarantee you that you will never see any GDI’s wearing a pair of those.
Skoal, I actually have two pairs right now, and am thinking about buying a third. Right now, I sport the Cole Haan Gunnison regularly with shorts, and the Tommy Bahama Martin on occasions where khakis should be worn. I have been looking at a pair of J&M’s, but I think owning 3 pairs of driving mocs would be trying too hard. I checked out the Ben Silver’s, and I don’t care much for them. If you want to switch it up, definitly look at the shoes I listed above.
hey i was reading about fratcis’s liberty problem and had a question. are xterra’s fratty?
Fratty Light I understand where your’e coming from, the driving mocs are popular here as well. I own a pair of Cole Haan Trillbys and a pair of Ben Silver Aldens. Fortunately Topsiders have yet to get a strong following with the douchebags in town. So thankfully we haven’t had to put the Sperrys in the closet just yet. Unfortunately though North Face is climbing into the wardrobe of Abercrombie wearers far too quickly here.
Elmo, you are a d-bag. Raybans are fratty, but those wayfare glasses are for true fags. I bet you slay no ass. Costas cost 2x more and are 2x better. Could you imagine fly-fishing in Boca with wayfarers….douchebag?
nobody has mentioned j. crew as a fratty brand. just wondering what the good word is on this subject?
Beaver believer, no. Not fratty. At all. You’ve got far better options to choose from than a store in every mall in America. And anonymous, import SUVs are rarely fratty to begin with, so with a shit tier brand like Nissan, I’d have to say no, not fratty.
I was looking into getting a pair of costa del mar glasses and I know that blue lenses is the staple with black frames for a fratdaddy but what model should i get? Doug which in your opinionis the top 3 types of frames one should go with??
You don’t own a pair already? Where are you people from? GDIs have already found out about blue lens and black frames, go with the green lens and tortise shell lens. After you purchase them refer to them as “costas” not “costa del mars”. D-bag.
I’m gonna have to agree with golfpro on the tortoise frame green lenses. My Tripletails in this color combo are by far my favorite pair. And seriously why don’t you already have a pair?
I have a pair of oakley fives which are pretty good glasses as well.
I’m going to have to agree with Elmo and say that the Wayfarers are pretty fratty…but under the right circumstances. Costas are perfect for fishing off-shore or throwing back some frat water on the beach. But the Wayfarers are ideal for tailgating and more formal situations. I suggest owning a pair of both.
I have a pair of fathoms with green lenses they are pretty much a staple but I do agree with you Fratdaddy about the Oakley Fives. I have a pair that I wear every once in a while casually. I hate most oakleys but the Fives are pretty good especially since not many GDI’s have them and it seems like more and more GDI’s are wearing costa’s. As far as the Wayfarers go I have a pair that I wear in more formal circumstances as has been suggested by others.
The Oakly Fives are the only cool Oakleys. There are other Ray-Bans which are very frat, that GDIs never wear. I need an issue cleared up here, I went back to campus (currently in law school: many opportunities to frat very hard) and saw a few fratters wearing Duck Head shorts. I was blown away as I know they are cheap and quite frankly they look redneck. Are Duck Heads making a comeback or was this an isolated incident? And as far as wayfarers go…I prefer other glasses for formal situations, such as Revos. The pair I have was like 300 bucks and you will never find a GDI sporting a pair. I realize that the wafes are acceptable within the fratmosphere, however, I saw a GDI jew person with gelled spiked hair wearing them and that turned me away from them for life.
The revos I have are called the 2038 flex. The look like the wafes but they aren’t. They are too expensive for GDIs. I would strongly suggest looking into buying a pair as you will basically frat harder than anyone with those on at a formal occasion(assuming you are wearing VV, Southern Proper, or Brooks Brothers as well…but that goes without saying). revo.com
I hope for the love of god that was an isolated incident… or it was a joke.
Top 10 frattiest schools.
1. Ole Miss
2. Clemson
3. Alabama
4.South Carolina
5. LSU
6. Hampden-Sydney
7. Auburn
8. UGA
9. UT
10. UVA
Discuss
You forgot to add Wofford and College of Charleston… two exceptionally fratty instituations
Take Clemson way down, push Georgia and Auburn up. Add Washington and Lee at the top. The frattiest schools are in the SEC where fraternities run shit. The top in the SEC in no particular order are
1ST TIER
Ole Miss, UGA, Auburn, Alabama, and South Carolina.
2nd TIER
LSU, Tennessee
3rd TIER
Vandy, Arkansas, Florida
4th TIER
Mississippi State, Kentucky
Frattiest Cities:
1. Charleston
2. Savannah
3. Birmingham
4. Memphis
5. Nashville
6. Jackson
Can’t think of anymore. Maybe Atlanta.
Augusta is one of the frattiest cities. Take a trip there even when the Masters is not going on, it’s great.
Couldn’t agree more with the frattiest city but I have to say Clemson belongs near the top of the frattiest schools and at least 1 or 2 slot for frattiest ACC schools.
no doubt one of the frattiest ACC…but only because they are like an SEC school
That is rather SEC biased, wouldn’t you say bargolfpro
That is rather SEC biased wouldn’t you say bargolfpro. Clemson should be higher and I think is frattier than its South Carolina counterpart
clemson is lame as shit all the frat houses are dorms…greek life runs shit at UF and FSU…don’t get me wrong there are tons of grade a d-bags running around gainesville and tallahassee wearing jean shorts and listening to eminem but there are also 7+ good fraternities at each school with 60 or more guys. Not to mention they are probably 1 and 2 in good looking sorority girls on the east coast. Lets be honest though SEC and ACC are by far the most fratastic conferences theres no debate about that.
I have nothing further to add other than Greeks dominate everything student-related at UGA, the PAC 10 is lame on ice, and (coming from someone from Atlanta) depending on where you live in Atlanta, it can be quite nice. Mostly the northern suburbs, where my parents live.
thanks for sharing
anonymous i couldn’t disagree more. i even go to FSU myself and know that overall as a school we don’t have shit on any SEC school besides UF. every house at UF looks like it was made as a bomb shelter during the cold war. UF has some of the ugliest girls in the nation. one of my friends from a reputable fraternity from UF told me that he, and most of his brothers, have atleast one pair of jean shorts and actually wear them
While I would have to agree that the SEC is hands down the frattiest of all, the big 12 south frats very hard as witnessed at our tailgates and extremely fratty social events. Also, the GDI’s have yet to catch on to trying to emulate us at all, so therefore we are able to easily seperate ourselves from d-bags without fear of someone trying to disguise themselves as one of us. Plus, lots of oil money=frat.
Big 12 country is easy to pass over, however, there are fratty schools in the south div. If you have not been to an SEC school in the Deep South, go. Ole Miss, Auburn, Georgia and Alabama are probably the frattiest large schools in the country. Hot girls, big nice houses, greeks who run the school, old money elitists and the good ol’ boy system make these 4 schools second to none. By no means are these the only fratty schools around, it just seems that on a day to day basis these schools frat at least as hard as anyone in the country.
what do yall think are the frattiest ACC schools. UNC is at top of that i think
I’ll give my blessing to many of the above statements. Being an SEC Alum, I would say that per capita, Alabama, Ole Miss, and Georgia frat hardest amongst the SEC. I would go with UVA and Clemson as the frattiest instistutions of the ACC, with UNC somewhere in that mix. Florida schools seem like the New Jersey of the South from what I can tell. I don’t doubt that there is hard fratting there, but it just seems like gel-heads are too numerous at these schools.
That being said, it is my belief that one of the main problems with douchebags is how obvious it is that none of them have ever been severely hazed in their lives.
7+ houses with 60 guys or more? Haha, UF and FSU have shitty Greek systems, not to mention the entire state of Florida is full of douchebags. Clemson and UNC suck too. Auburn alone has 9 houses with 100+ guys and maybe only 4 of them are top tier. I’m sure Alabama and Ole Miss have more. Go to a real school. Fag.
I think Wake Forest has been left out…
first of all, i love this website, but it seems to me that we are starting to take ourselves a little too seriously…..besides everyone knows that any school in the midwest frats harder than any school in the south.
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bargolfpro couldnt agree more with you, Charleston is by far the frattiest city. I think New Orleans and Richmond could be added to that list also
I love New Orleans but there are way too many douchebags down there. I did meet KAs from all over the country on New Years though.
thats been noted
i have lived my whole life in charleston and have to say its pretty fratty. i love it here. by the way though…i think smu was left out on that list…
o also i have a question or two to ask…has anyone ever seen those polo shirts with the fish logo on them? what company is that? also…are jeans ever fratty?
I live in Florida and every guido douche and their mother from New Jersey and New York flood this state. They then join fraternities and those of us who do frat hard on a daily basis have to put up with their bullshit. I am proud to say that my fraternity does not give bids to these douchebags whose veins flow with vinegar. We are trying hard to spread fratmosis and slowly but surely it is starting to catch on.
Wow, missed a lot of discussion on here lately. Anyway, I’m not going to say what school i go to, but telling people how much harder one school frats than another isn’t fratty at all. You shouldn’t have to tell people how hard you frat, they’ll be able to notice without you telling them if you are taking the right plan of fratting action.
SMU I think you’re talking about Southern Tide. Living in SC you shouldn’t have a problem getting it as they are based out of Greenville. Southerntide.net is their site. They give a list of store locations and there is one in Charleston.
60 minute, you are right, it is not fratty to say you are fratty. However, it is also not fratty to start a blog, and that does not seem to bother anyone.
Men although South Caolrina is home to the frat capitol, Charleston, and maybe is home to more fratters per capita than any other state, I would have to say both Clemson and USC are not top tier frat schools. Clemson is so redneck its a joke, and USC may have nice houses, but you can’t even party in them … what kinda of frat life is that? I think Ole Miss, LSU, AU, UA, or my home…UGA…would be much better choices for aspiring fratstars.
What do you think…
Even though I choose not to attend Clemson, my heart is in that school. I spent many a weekend up there going to football games and just enjoying the south carolina atmosphere. Id have to say the reputation of clemson as a redneck school is extremely exaggrated. It is a top tier school with top tier students and top tier southerners. USC though…i agree. Just cause you got a nice house doesnt mean much.
good try Ed, but UGA has more rednecks than the attendance at the darlington raceway
60 minute man attends Rutgers.
there will be renecks at all good southern schools except vandy where it is all asians.
Don’t forget Sewanee in that list. Atlanta is only fratty in some aspects–that’s where a lot of the money is and good careers are, but it’s filled with northerners and Emory isn’t fratty at all–I don’t even think they have fraternities there. And if you’re not in Buckhead, forget about it. I agree that Charleston wins for frattiest city, but although the population of Jackson is comprised of many fratters, wouldn’t its boring reputation override its frattiness? And UGA has the same if not lower percentage of rednecks than any other SEC school (MS State, Arkansas, UK and UTK having more, obviously) besides Vandy, which bargolfpro correctly pointed out is all asians. SMU’s fratty, but it’s a wannabe SEC school with crappy sports teams. Why not go to Ole Miss?
Because the education sucks. And Emory does have fraternities.
no i don’t go to rutgers
and the majority of clemson or south carolina is no more redneck than miss. or alabama
Well put Fratter. UGA has less hicks bc it is hard to get into, Alabama is old money but has its share of necks (obviously) while Auburn and Ole Miss have many “southerners” which is not a redneck (still have rednecks, even redneck fraternities, but they are of little importance unless they are rich rednecks). There are obviously going to be rednecks in all states…esp. in the deep south including Ark. 60 min you are probably right. ATL has some gays, alot actually, which knoks it down a bunch. Jackson is boring but it is the breeding groud for Ole Miss kids so it is still pretty fratty. People there are either rich as hell or scum. Basically like all southern cities (B-ham, Memphis, NO) besides ATL where new money and northerners are everywhere.
Would you say Charlotte has the same problems as ATL regarding its frattiness (new money and northerners)? I think maybe there are fratty cities and then cities that can get fratorable mention due to the amount of fratters there, but not actually being a fratty city on the whole (ATL, Charlotte, Dallas, Houston and DC even).
I have only been to Charlotte once and it seemed really nice and clean with alot to do, but the people were not fratting as hard as they do in other cities. Mainly the girls were not that hot. However, the banks give many opportunities to the post gradder with an MBA to frat hard and make alot of money. Also, what’s the consensus on Jacksonville? I know it’s ALMOST like the South…I have never been. Anyone know anything about this city?
I’d say Jacksonville is the only real Southern big city in Florida, and its proximity to Sawgrass and the beach is definitely fratty. The UGA-UF game being played here every year also helps out with this. However, I never hear of anyone, fratty or otherwise, moving to Jacksonville, so I wonder if all the young people there are only Floridians.
although jacksonville is a southern city, it’s definately not a fratty city. once known as the smelliest city in the south it hasn’t made much of an improvement. it’s kind of like a giant gainesville. the florida/georgia game is always a good time and hopefully the bama/florida state game will be too but it’s definately not a place i’d want to live
about the redneck thing, lets not forget that in southern fraternity, the frattiest of the lot, there is a thin line between a redneck and a really fratty brother. Fishing can be fratty and redneck, same with hunting, even golf is being played on a more common basis so it could be redneck if you go to the wrong public course.
more on golf…gdi’s can invade public courses, which is why it’s important to be a member of a good country club to hit the 19th in regulation
more on golf…gdi’s can invade public courses, which is why it’s important to be a member of a good country club to hit the 19th green in regulation
back on the issue of florida schools…i go to school in charleston but im back home in tampa and am taking summer classes at usf, by far one of the most gdi infested schools in the south. most of the students at the school are drugged out liberal douche bags while the fraternity scene is completly infested with abercrombie wearing, gel headed guidos. unlike other florida schools like uf or fsu that actually have southern fraternities on campus, there are none here at usf. its like the school floated down here from new jersey.
The top in the SEC in no particular order are
1ST TIER
Ole Miss, UGA, Auburn, Alabama, and South Carolina.
2nd TIER
LSU, Tennessee
3rd TIER
Vandy, Arkansas, Florida
4th TIER
Mississippi State, Kentucky
Why is Arkansas not getting more respect as a fratty school?
I have been to both campuses and I would say Arkansas is much frattier than Tennessee.
My parents are members at a club so I play there now that I am post grad. however, in undergrad, I had no such luck and was forced to play at the public courses. Anyhow, you can often times eliminate the GDIs by playing at the most expensive course around as there are many options when it comes to public courses. It is somewhat of a waste of money, at least it was for me, as I would go out there to get utterly shit housed on a tuesday afternoon rather than hone my golf skills. Still, it is worth $125 to not be forced to see or acknowledge a goddamn independent while on the course.
was wondering why Mississippi State is’nt frattier, one would think when your rival is one of the frattiest that you would aspire to be frattier than your rival
I might move South Carolina down to the top of the second tier. They frat hard there, but the other schools are definitely at a higher level. I think Arkansas doesn’t get that much respect cause, at least for me, I have tons of friends at all of the top and second tier schools (plus Vandy), and don’t know anyone at Arkansas–I feel like that’s the case for a lot of people. Seems like most of the people who go there are from Arkansas only, and the only real money in the state is in Little Rock and Bentonville (Wal-Mart).
wouldn’t vandy be higher up?
No. We have already gone over this.
SMUcarolina, this list is not regarding how hard people frat at certain schools, but how fratty the school is overall. I have many friends at Vandy that frat hard, but that doesn’t mean that the whole school does.
Fratter, Arkansas also gets alot of people from Dallas and quite a few from Memphis, Kansas City, and across Oklahoma. There is plenty of old money in the school and take my word for it (my brother went there) it is a very frat school. It doesnt belong in the top tier with Ole Miss and Alabama but definatly in the second tier with LSU and South Carolina
No doubt the SEC schools are fratty, but they are public universities (less Vandy). Nothing beats a $175,000 4+ year blackout at the new home of W’s presidential library at Southern Methodist University. If you didn’t rush, then you are probably an athlete or failed out of school. Plus Dallas is the largest of the frattiest cities in America
Auburn Fratter, I stand corrected. Had no idea Arkansas had any money there, although don’t know of too many people from KC or OK who frat hard. Even the people from OK old money areas (people who went to Holland Hall for example), have disappointed me.
Bows and Toes, all my family’s from Dallas. As I mentioned before, Dallas has a large contingent of fratters but the city on the whole is not fratty. Like Atlanta, Dallas has a large population of outsiders and unfortunately has a huge metro douchebag scene. Even the guys that used to be fratters before moving to Dallas now look like gelled-up GDIs and wear Diesel Jeans. I don’t even understand it. I’ll agree with you that SMU is quite fratty.
agreed. dallas has the largest pop of gays in texas. not expilicity fratty, but def. fratting hard in some areas like Southern Methodist High School
SMU is fratty, but I am not sure that the amount a degree costs makes one school frattier than another. I think we can all agree that being wealthy and affluent is fratty, and basically it is one of the most important things in life. There is no substiute for having alot of money. I have seen many upper crust schools, mostly small private ones, that quite frankly are not fratty. Yes, their families are loaded, but they have been so sheltered that they get drunk off one beer and wear designer sunglasses. SMU is big enough where it is not as suceptable to this misery. when you come from a rich family it is just as great to get a nice house close to campus and go to large school loaded with hot sorostitutes that put out all while having access to great bars and a fraternity with over 100 solid brothers. When you go home to visit…and after you graduate, you will have plenty of opportunities to hang out at the country club, sail and blow money on whatever you want.
Agreed. SMU and Ole Miss draw from the same applicants–the average student at SMU has the same amount of money as the average student at Ole Miss. Just because someone chose to spend a lot of money on school doesn’t make them frattier because the other person simply decided not to, even though they could have. Big Money Texas, I agree. Park Cities and Preston Hollow definitely frat hard. anywhere north of Walnut Hill is GDI country.
i do agree with yall on the above statements. i just choose smu cause it wasnt as big as other public schools and i still wanted a somewhat small to medium sized private school education…i do think though that dallas has a lot of gdi’s and “metro” guys…not fratty at all.
Bargolfpro: How in the hell could you put Vandy ahead of UK in your SEC tier? I respect your Tier 1, no need for changes there, but you can’t put fucking Arkansas & Vandy ahead of UK. Vandy is full of kids with ACT scores that are too high to frat exceptionally hard day in & day out; besides half of them are northerners that are incapable of representing the SEC as a whole. Arkansas is just Arkansas. UK would need to jump into Tier 3. Arkansas & Miss. State are Tier 4 caliber. But either way, you can’t lose in the SEC. SEC runs shit. Outside of the SEC, you can throw bones at Sewanee, Clemson, etc.. Hampton Sydney is an all guys school, which is gay in my opinion at the college level. Save the all boys prep school for high school.
By the way, Univ. of Florida is home to bitches with arm fat & guys that frost their hair. Your tier 4 should be Florida, Arkansas, Miss. St.. Tier 3 could be Vandy & UK. Your tier 1 & 2 are on point.
bows and toes;
dallas, outside of highland park, might as well be new york city, the bar life there is like you stepped into al gore’s wet dream. its a terrible place that has nothing to offer anyone and there are more guidos there than i can fathom. large metropolitan areas, such as dallas, breed douchbaggery and should be avoided at all costs.
Head Honcho, you dont have a damn clue what your talking about. I promise you both Miss State and definatly Vanderbilt and Arkansas frat harder than Kentucky could ever imagine. If anything Kentucky belongs in tier 5 by itself. Your reasoning for Arkansas not being fratty was “Arkansas is just Arkansas,” that makes sense. Your only good statement was you cant lose in the SEC, SEC runs shit, I definatly agree with that. If you ever wanna learn how to frat make a trip to Fayetteville.
Jimmybuffet, agreed for the most part, although you should definitely include Preston Hollow in addition to HP. However, you make Dallas seem like there’s nothing to offer and that’s false–there are many fratters in Dallas (this is inevitable due to the energy and banking companies located in Dallas), it just isn’t a fratty city on the whole. You make it sound like it’s completely filled with douchebags, when I’d say it’s about 75% Douchebag, 25% fratty.
I would say Dallas is closer to about 90% douchebag, 10% fratty. A ton of fratty older men live in Fort Worth and drive to Dallas to work, there is not much need to actually live in Dallas.
Honcho,
Vandy is fratty becasue of Nashville, which is a fratty city with fratty bars. to be honest I do not kow a whole lot about KY jelly but I figur it is so North that tons of D-Bags flow from that area. I dont really give a shit anyway it was not meant to be a scientific list with alot of research just a list of first impressions. I knew a guy from high school who went there and joined a house and had 2 earings.
UK = People from Louisville + Other midwestern states (OH, IN) = Not fratty.
I went to HP and would have to agree things can get pretty bad around Dallas; everyone has to try to be so damn trendy. However a lot of the suburbs (once the newness has worn off) are now producing great fraternity candidates. I have gone to many SMU and TCU parties and would have to say deserve some representation on the list. Maybe there should be a different tier for private schools or miscellaneous ones?
Like Plano New Money? I agree that you can find some diamonds in the rough in some of the Dallas suburbs, but those people are just fratty stuck in a sea of douchebaggery. If they were truly fratty their parents would live in HP or Preston Hollow. SMU and TCU are fratty, and I’ve been to some great parties there too, but they are nothing compared to the level of frattiness at a school like Ole Miss, as you should know.
Honcho, I am from Kentucky, and have also visited multiple SEC campuses other than Lexington. I would say that UK frats the least out of the SEC but still harder than most. UK’s main problem is the high inflow of Louisville trash and Ohio gel heads. The tailgates are UK t-shirts and cargo shorts and when they go to Keeneland(exceptional environment) they all wear they fitted button-ups with their oversized shades. Arkansas is very fratty bc that is really their main thing to do. I can respect that. You ought to know better than to discount a state university just because of the outside reputation of the state. We are from Kentucky. By the way, Vandy is very fratty. They even have their own bar district, Demonbreun St. Ask the Clemson students that were there for the Music City Bowl.
Fratter, I was thing more along the lines of the JJ Pearce area and some Rockwall people that fish alot on the lake. As for Plano, it will always be Texas State material.
I can be amenable to that. I’m just saying, there might be fratters from those areas, but that doesn’t make those areas fratty.
Kentucky is fratty. Have you all ever heard of Churchill Downs and Keeneland? Horses mean old money which we all know is fratty. I have to agree that it is close to cincinnatti and other douchbag filled northern and midwest cities. Also another city and university that no one has really said anything about is Knoxville and the University of Tennessee. Very fratty, both of them.
Fratty yes. Anything close to the level of frattiness at Bama, Ole Miss and UGA? No.
Kentucky and Tennessee are both fratty, there in the SEC. But neither compares to some other schools in the SEC. Many people on here say UT is fratty without really knowing, but Ive been there and it doesnt even come close to other SEC schools. You cant say UK is fratty because its in the same state as Churchill Downs, thats stupid.
My List of SEC schools:
1. Ole Miss
2.Alabama
3.Georgia
4.Auburn
5.Vanderbilt
6.South Carolina
7.Arkansas
8.LSU
9.Tennessee
10.Miss. State
11.Florida
12.Kentucky
UK is definitely frattier than UF, and USC and LSU are definitely frattier than Vandy.
I would move Auburn up to #3 and move Georgia down to #4.
What colors of pants are acceptable at certain times of the year?
Even though this conversation is truly ridiculous, Ill give my 2 cents. Considering what happened to that SAE at Ole Miss this year, they are quickly dropping in the rankings. LSU would be pretty far up there, and Arkansas and South Carolina would a little bit further down. Alabama is by far the most hard-core school when it comes to fratting these days. UGA would be close, but the school is starting a program that gives breathalysers to “problem” students everyday.
It is truly rediculous to acknowledge something as truly rediculous and take part in it anyway.
I think University of Tennessee should get some more credit. I have been to most SEC schools and you can’t frat any harder than they do on a Saturday for a home football game. Maybe it isnt like that all year long, but saturday’s in knoxville are ridiculous
You can frat harder then them on Saturday before a football game. Go to Tuscaloosa or Auburn and see how. Better yet, go have a toddy in the Grove at Oxford, MS. Pay attention to the hot sundresses.
Gentlemen,
Could we discuss how to make a room in the frat castle the most fratty? I want my room to stand out and not be a generic room. Any suggestions
PGA Tour:
Make your room look like a fucking lawyers office. Leather furniture, brass lamps, paintings, etc. Keep some good alcohol so the ladies will have something to drink while enjoying your company, but leave the empty vodka bottles, bikini posters, and Xbox game collection to the GDI’s hiding in their dorm rooms.
Arkansas pulls old money from HP in Dallas, the good private schools in Memphis, plus Little Rock Central, Catholic, and Episcopal. UofA is still on the 2nd tier of fratty schools in the SEC, but 1st tier anywhere else.
South Carolina and Clemson have the advantage of being able to get the best men from Charleston.No other schools draw so heavily from the frattiest city. That alone makes those two schools among the best in the nation. I would say that The Citadel, despite not having a greek system is the third frattiest school in South Carolina. There are many old Charleston families that send generations of men in there family there.While i dont go there i think they are worthy of mention because when out on leave they frat hard.
agreed. and im a charlestonian.
I agree with some of the above statements. TCU and SMU are very underrated in terms of frattyness. Granted they are no Ole Miss and such, but they are very very respectable. Both campuses are dominated by Greek and are some of the top schools in the country in terms of percentage of campus that is Greek. I have been to quite a few parties at TCU since I am originally from the Ft. Worth area and they are quite impressive.
Clemson is the shit, it frats harder than any other school in the ACC and could definately compete with the SEC. FSU greek life is decidedly lame.
I would say the only fraternity at alabama that “frats hard” is DKE. SAE and KA, sometimes Sigma Nu and Phi Gam. I guess you could say old row, I’m not bashing the other fraternities on campus, but those are the most reputable houses. Esp. with DKE at top